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No its not a ridiculous statement, u obviously havnt read properly wat ive written. Theres nothin wrong in bettering yourself, remember we r the 1s who talk of chardi kalah. However that doesnt mean u

Well Said!

It would be great if every Sikh knew self defence, but for the past few decades a lot of people are aware of this attacking in numbers. Since the advent of the mobile phone and the fact that this par

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Am I right in thinking the gentleman has yet to come forward to the police?

The Police no doubt like the grooming victims will now put it down now as a solved crime as the victim was asking for it by attracting attention with that headgear.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2841225/Fury-police-bid-protect-Birmingham-grooming-gang.html

Question to ponder

If the West Midlands Police are capable of covering up the Grooming Scandal or protect the instigators, it could mean that they would be capable of ignoring this particular incident.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2841225/Fury-police-bid-protect-Birmingham-grooming-gang.html

Question to ponder

If the West Midlands Police are capable of covering up the Grooming Scandal or protect the instigators, it could mean that they would be capable of ignoring this particular incident.

Other cover ups by other Police forces, Hillsborough, Stephen Lawrence, Blair Peach, deaths in custody, grooming (Rochdale, Rotherham, Sheffield just to name a few), high ranking paedophile cover ups Jimmy Saville, Cyril Smith, the list goes on and on and these are only mainstream news articles.

Even the right wing press no longer hold the police in any respect or regard.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9461322/the-shocking-truth-about-police-corruption-in-britain/

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Also the Leicester moghul darbar restaurant attack that resulted from police failure to act on the organised exploitation of a young Sikh girl. Basically police were made aware of the abuse and handed a dossier of names, car registrations, properties etc of the abusers but they did nothing for 6 months and allowed the abuse to continue. Eventually the community took vigilante action.

Even then Leicestershire police tried to cover up the abuse claiming it was just rumours. After the restaurant attack some of the the groomers were jailed for lesser charges only receiving 2 years each after the CPS pressurised the higher charges to be dropped as it "was not in the public interest" . only the immense work of SAS and the bravery of the victim ensured prosecutions in this landmark case.

The way the police acted was shsmeful throughout, from lack of action, attempted cover up, harrasing and threatening members of the Sikh community to not talk about the case or discussion social media under threat of prosecution etc.

The full details of the abuse actually never hit the public domain ...

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Also the Leicester moghul darbar restaurant attack that resulted from police failure to act on the organised exploitation of a young Sikh girl. Basically police were made aware of the abuse and handed a dossier of names, car registrations, properties etc of the abusers but they did nothing for 6 months and allowed the abuse to continue. Eventually the community took vigilante action.

Even then Leicestershire police tried to cover up the abuse claiming it was just rumours. After the restaurant attack some of the the groomers were jailed for lesser charges only receiving 2 years each after the CPS pressurised the higher charges to be dropped as it "was not in the public interest" . only the immense work of SAS and the bravery of the victim ensured prosecutions in this landmark case.

The way the police acted was shsmeful throughout, from lack of action, attempted cover up, harrasing and threatening members of the Sikh community to not talk about the case or discussion social media under threat of prosecution etc.

The full details of the abuse actually never hit the public domain ...

I am under no illusions the Police, Labour politicians particulary of Leicester, CPS and even some of our sell out Sikhs did a great disservice to the Sikh victim and especially our Sikh brothers who actually stopped further serious sexual offences taking place! This is where Sikh Federation should have stepped in and slammed the authorities and got our brothers out of jail with a Royal Pardon and millions in compensation!

Look who was in charge of the DPP when grooming was taking place on an industrial scale and have a guess which political party has taken him in to their fold, no shame or honour with tainted public officials

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article3577555.ece

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I am under no illusions the Police, Labour politicians particulary of Leicester, CPS and even some of of sell out Sikhs did a great disservice to the Sikh victim and especially our Sikh brothers who actually stopped further serious sexual offences taking place! This is where Sikh Federation should have stepped in and slammed the authorities and got our brothers out of jail with a Royal Pardon and millions in compensation!

Look who was in charge of the DPP when grooming was taking place on an industrial scale and have a guess which political party has taken him in to their fold, no shame or honour with tainted public officials

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article3577555.ece

Wat about that kutthha keith vaz, wat did he do for the community in regards 2 the mughal darbar incident? It happened in his own city, yet did nutin 2 help sikhs. Yet this clown is the 1st person at vaisakhi meetings at downing st, kissin sikh/panjabi arses.

Also the leic' police blatantly protected those paedo paks, at the expense of the sikhs/the girl. Which i dont understand frm a vote bank p.o.v, as leic in terms of its minorities, is a gujarati (hindu/muslim) city, with a large sikh community, but hardly any paks there, yet they were protected.

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This is how one paedophile in the US was stopped in going about his disgusting perverted business.

Note the father was not charged as he stopped a violent crime, something that should have happened when our Sikh brothers in Leicester intervened to stop further sexual molestation of a victim. The Leicester groomers were convicted and sentenced to prison.

Free the Sikh Brothers with Royal Pardons and a hefty compensation package!!!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/paedophile-beaten-unconscious-by-childs-father-handed-25-year-prison-sentence-10154104.html

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Paedophile beaten unconscious by child's father handed 25 year prison sentence

Raymond Frolander, who was 18 at the time, was found by officers lying in a pool of his own blood

Roisin O'Connor

Friday, 3 April 2015

A man who was beaten by the father of a child he was caught sexually abusing has been sentenced to 25 years in prison.

Raymond Frolander, from Daytona Beach, Florida, was beaten until he was unconscious and left with clear facial injuries after he was found abusing the 11-year-old boy last year.

The father called police after administering his own punishment.

Frolander, who was 18 at the time, was found by officers lying in a pool of his own blood.

According to a 911 recording, the unnamed father told the operator: "I just walked in and found a grown man molesting (my child) and I got him in a bloody puddle for you right now.

"Send an ambulance. He is going to need one."

The father ended the call by saying: “I did whatever I got a right to do, except I didn’t kill him.”

Frolander was charged with sexual battery on a victim under 12.

Speaking to investigators after the attack, the child said that he had been playing games with friends at the property; however, once those friends had left, Frolander began to sexually assault him.

The child also said that this had not been an isolated incident, and that Frolander had been abusing him since the age of eight.

According to Daytona Beach police Chief Mike Chitwood, Frolander was "almost like a family member" to his alleged victim and he had groomed his target for a period of time, having sex with the victim on multiple occasions.

The father was not charged with any crime.

Chitwood said the man was just "acting like a dad", and he didn’t see anything to charge him with.

Asked whether he had any issues with the father’s actions, Chitwood said: "Not as a police chief and not as a father."

Frolander took a deal to prevent a mandatory life sentence. However he will be registered as a sex offender for the rest of his life and will have to wear a GPS monitor upon his release, NBC News affiliate Wesh reported.

After the sentence, the father told reporters at the station: "He's going to learn in the next 25 years why I let him live."

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Funny enuff, ukip want to get rid of the human rights law for criminals, which the EU has forcefully put into law in our country. Under this disgraceful human rights law, if criminals break into ur house, n u beat the criminal up, or even tie them up for the police to take, u can be charged with use of excessive force and kidnapp! In america u get a medal n photo in the paper, here in this dumb desh, u get put in prison. This law is also against guru gobind singhs law too, whom wud without doubt order all burgulars to be killed on the spot. Not to mention these dirty paedo rapists, who sant jarnail singh also instructed same punishment upon in the 80s.

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Funny enuff, ukip want to get rid of the human rights law for criminals, which the EU has forcefully put into law in our country. Under this disgraceful human rights law, if criminals break into ur house, n u beat the criminal up, or even tie them up for the police to take, u can be charged with use of excessive force and kidnapp! In america u get a medal n photo in the paper, here in this dumb desh, u get put in prison. This law is also against guru gobind singhs law too, whom wud without doubt order all burgulars to be killed on the spot. Not to mention these dirty paedo rapists, who sant jarnail singh also instructed same punishment upon in the 80s.

good post, even more reason to leave Europe
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Also the leic' police blatantly protected those paedo paks, at the expense of the sikhs/the girl. Which i dont understand frm a vote bank p.o.v, as leic in terms of its minorities, is a gujarati (hindu/muslim) city, with a large sikh community, but hardly any paks there, yet they were protected.

They were Gujarati (Hindu and Muslim) and Afghan

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23896937

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They were Muslim

Maybe Qwe123 as a Pakistani Muslim yourself u can explain this to me, is why Pakistani's do so much grooming?

Is it simply because the Prophet Muhammad at age 54 had pedophile sex with a small 9 year old girl called Aisha?

Raymond Ibrahim: Rationalizing Pedophilia in Islam

July 29, 2011 11:26 am

By Raymond Ibrahim

Earlier this month we saw””or rather, were once again reminded””that Islam permits pedophilia in the guise of “marriage”: Top Saudi cleric, Dr. Salih bin Fawzan, issued a fatwa asserting that there is no minimum age for girls to marry, “even if they are in the cradle,” and that the only criterion is that “they are capable of being placed beneath and bearing the weight of the men.”

While this practice speaks for itself, it is interesting to witness the great lengths some Muslims go to justify or rationalize it””or even to turn it into a source of pride.

Consider, for example, this Muslim cleric discussing Muhammad’s marriage to the child Aisha when she was nine. Far from blushing for shame, the cleric actually uses this anecdote to boast of the prophet’s “patience” and “magnanimity.” Translation of relevant excerpt follows:

Aisha’s own account in Sahih Bukhari is telling enough: she talks about how her mother hurriedly prepared her and then “handed” her over to Muhammad, and how “nothing surprised me but the coming of Allah’s Apostle to me in the forenoon.”

The story of the prophet’s marriage to Aisha reveals to us aspects like the prophet’s conduct with Aisha, and more importantly the aspect regarding the relationship between the husband and wife, to show how one should treat his wife, just as the prophet did with Aisha.

We know that Asia’s mother went to take her down from the swing that she was playing on to fix her hair and prepare her for the prophet so he could enter her [have sex with her]””and she did that all on the same day.

The cleric continues:

It should be noted that the cleric recounted the above with much awe and amazement””as if to say, “Look how indulgent and open-minded our prophet was!”

So you see, she was playing with her fellow playmates even though her day of consummation was that very same day””and all that they did was to fix her up for the prophet so he could have sex with her.

Now what do we see when the prophet married Aisha? Did he go to her and say “Okay that’s it, you’re married, you’re now a grown up, you”re supposed to be mature, you need to do this and that; you need to forget about your toys and your little friends; you are now a wife of a man, you have to see to my needs” and that’s it?

No. The prophet allowed her to continue playing with her toy dolls””indeed, the prophet even sometimes gave her such things to play with. [This hadith has more details, including how Aisha’s little girl friends would “hide themselves” whenever the prophet came to her until he called them out.]

In fact, such was the cleric’s whole point: to show that Islam, according to the example of Muhammad, expects older Muslim husbands to be patient with their younger wives: “The older husband should not expect the younger wife to be at his level of maturity; rather, he should go down to her level, for he is capable, whereas she is not.”

As “gentlemanly” as this ostensibly sounds, it is yet another example of how Muslim scholars deal with Muhammad’s lifestyle: because they cannot condemn or ignore his practices, they inevitably go to great lengths to rationalize or justify them””to find the good in every situation their prophet was involved in, while being oblivious to all the bad.

Thus here we have a cleric straining to find a positive aspect to Muhammad’s pedophilia””that he was patient and indulgent of his child-bride””while ignoring the heart of it: that the man Islam is built around desired to have sex with a child in the first place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNCz9MXmcsw

Raymond Ibrahim, an Islam specialist, is a Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center and an Associate Fellow at the Middle East Forum. He writes regularly for Jihad Watch.

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Prophet Muhammad: An open Pedophile

Prophet Muhammad at the age of 51 “married” Aisha when she was six years old.

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old. Muslim 8. 3310

Narrated 'Aisha:that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). Bukhari 7. 62. 64

Narrated 'Aisha:that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)' Bukhari 7. 62. 65

Narrated 'Ursa:The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death). Bukhari 7. 62. 88

Arab year is lunar, which is shorter than solar year. In solar years, Aisha was 8 years 9 months old when Muhammad sexually consummated his marriage with her. Consummate? This is a nice way to say raped her. According to Muslims, a woman must consent to her marriage or the marriage is null. How can a 6-years old child consent to her marriage? Without a consent, how can we call this relationship between a 51 years old man and a 6-years old child marriage?

Some Muslims claim that it was Abu Bakr who approached Muhammad asking him to marry his daughter. This is not true.

The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry." Bukhari 7.62.18

Even though Abu Bakr was fool enough to let Prophet Muhammad have sex with his little daughter, that marriage was invaled, because the only person who should have given consent was a minor. Aisha was unaware of what was going on and was surprised when Prophet Muhammad pulled down his pants and invited her to sit on his lap. She Narrated:

When the Prophet married me, my mother came to me and made me enter the house (of the Prophet) and nothing surprised me but the coming of Allah's Apostle to me in the forenoon. Bukhari 7. 62. 90

Aisha was playing with dolls like any other 8 year old child would do. She was not ready for marriage and had no understanding of it.

Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13) Bukhari 8. 73.151

Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. Bukhari 5.234

Having sexual feelings for small children is called pedophilia. According to Ayatollah Montazeri, the most revered Shiite cleric of Iran , the “marriage” of Muhammad and Aisha was a political maneuver to placate the enemies of Islam. He wrote: The reason for this marriage was that the Prophet was under the intense pressure by his enemies like Abu Lahab and Abu Jahl and was completely dependant of the protection of other tribes. Abu Bakr had a lot of tribal influence. And rejecting his offer, in those conditions, for the Prophet was not prudent. In reality this marriage was symbolic and not to satisfy his sexual instinct, because, as a rule a 53-year-old man cannot have sexual feelings for a 9-year-old girl.

This is nonsense. Abu Bakr was already a devout follower of Muhammad and his confidant. Abu Lahab and Abul Hakam (whom Muhammad derogatorily called Abu Jahl, father of ignorance) had nothing to do with Abu Bakr. How can having sex with a child placate one's enemies? Assuming this ridiculous excuse is true, what about Aisha? Was she only a pawn for Muhammad’s political maneuvers?

In one thing the Grand Ayatollah is right. As a rule a 53-year-old man cannot have sexual feelings for a 9-year-old girl, unless he is a pedophile.

The Islamocritic scholar, Abul Kasem, has demonstrated that in Islam there is actually no age limit for marrying a child. He found the following hadith which shows a Muslim man can marry an infant. However should one of his adult wives suckle that infant both wives become haram to him.

Case of one of two wives suckling the other-If a man marry an infant and an adult and the latter should give milk to the former, both wives become prohibited with respect to that man [their husband], because if they were to continue united in marriage to him, it would imply the propriety of joint cohabitation with the foster-mother and her foster-daughter, which is prohibited, in the same manner as joint cohabitation with a natural mother and daughter-It is to be observed on this occasion, that if the husband should not have had carnal connexion with the adult wife, she is not entitled to any dower whatever, because the separation has proceeded from her, before consummation :-but the infant has a claim to her half dower. [Hedaya Vol. I Book III, page 71 (Ref. 6)]

Abul Kasem also quoted the story of Umar marrying a child just four or five years old.

Umme Kulthum was 4 or 5 years old when Umar married her. This child was his most favourite wife (just like prophet Mohammad). There is a great controversy about the identity of this child bride of Umar. Many scholars claim that she was the daughter of Ali and Fatima. Others say that Umme Kulthum was the posthumous daughter of Abu Bakar and Habiba. Abu Bakar died (13 A.H.) a few months before Umme Kulthum was born. She was the half sister of Aisha. So, Umar asked Aisha for the hand of Umme Kulthum when she (Umme Kulthum) was only 4 - 5 years old. Aisha agreed and Umar and Umme Kulthum got married.

According to Abul Kasem’s calculations, Umar was 56 years old when he married this little girl. Why would he not wait for Umme Kulthum to reach the age of nine? Shouldn’t Umar follow the sunna (example) of his prophet? The answer is that Prophet Muhammad did not set any limits for child marriage. Ummar must have remembered when Prophet Muhammad expressed his desire to marry a crawling baby before death overtook him. This story is reported by Ibn Ishac, the most authentic biographer of Muhammad. Most other biographies are based on this monumental work of Ibn Ishak/Ibn Hisham

(Suhayli, ii.79: In the riwaya of Yunus I.I recorded that the apostle saw her (Ummu’l-Fadl) when she was baby crawling before him and said, ‘If she grows up and I am still alive I will marry her.’ But he died before she grew up and Sufyan b. al-Aswad b. Abdu’l-Asad al-Makhzumi married her and she bore him Rizq and Lubaba….(Ref.3, page 311)

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