Granthi Singh Converts To Christianity

[SheikhYoBooty]

^ Eduardo bro, what language did your family speak in India (which state was it)?

Portuguese or Hindi or another language? And how long ago did your family convert to Christianity?

[eduardo]

I have to sleep.

Will get back to you on this.

[SheikhYoBooty]

I have to sleep.

Will get back to you on this.

Ok no problem bro

[WaljinderSingh]

To whatever the conversion, the subject is more to blame as she/he is giving up religion for materialistic values and things which are bound to vanish one day but in sikhi it's the black spot (klank) the person is putting on his/her forehead for being a

Bemukh.

"Je Gur te Vemukh hovai bin Satgur mukt na pavai."

"Jitre fal man baachiyai titre satgur paas."

Guru is the ocean of boons for all the wishes there are.

Leaving Satguru is 'the' biggest crime - mahapaap.

Gurfateh

[WaljinderSingh]

Fyi

Killing a person (KP) = 960,000,000 paap

Killing own father (KF) = 10,000 x KP

Killing own mother (KM) = 50,000 x KF

Leaving Guru (Bemukh) = no limit of paap

[MisterrSingh]

Fyi

Killing a person (KP) = 960,000,000 paap

Killing own father (KF) = 10,000 x KP

Killing own mother (KM) = 50,000 x KF

Leaving Guru (Bemukh) = no limit of paap

Wow, these things can be measured empirically? Where are these numbers from, Singh Ji?

[SikhKosh]

Fyi

Killing a person (KP) = 960,000,000 paap

Killing own father (KF) = 10,000 x KP

Killing own mother (KM) = 50,000 x KF

Leaving Guru (Bemukh) = no limit of paap

While I get your point but throwing numbers around like this is not wise. Killing a good 'person' would be more of a paap than killing an abusive father for example.

[N30S1NGH]

His overall conversion, lack of faith It's inner personal relationship between him and Guru sahib, we should worry about our own relationship with our Guru Maharaj. We should not be deluded for a second, just because we took amrit and can keep up with certain basic outer rehit -we managed to make our Guru sahib happy and scored a free sachkhand express card.

In each and every moment, guru maharaj (pure inner awareness jagad jot) throw an test/riddle/chess move/hide and seek game to his sikh - to see if sikh identifies with his conditioned mind (manmukh) or if sikh identifies with his real self-jot saroop (Gur-chaitain-consciouness-mukh(towards) unconditioned pure inner intuitive awareness jot. So real game is already on in which most of us fail as we identify with our conditioned/preconditioned/psychological egoic self mind all the time, we should worry about our own relationship..whats the difference between bemukh and manmukh..? ignoring the semantics overall its same thing..so i wouldn't sit on high moral ground and worry about others.

Most sikh parcharikhs never talk about individuals directly - judge or misjudge them, they always talk about overall social issues which affects people never go on personal level- name calling.

[WaljinderSingh]

I care less what anyone does or thinks but I thought this forum could be used for educational purposes.

BTW Bemukh is not same as manmukh and if you think so you are certainly misguided.

Thanks for your attention.

Gurfateh

[N30S1NGH]

Yes I agree veer on basic level they are different. But on deep profound level they are same as stake on real game of love is way too high and thin as tip of khanda. Its pretty much all or nothing for true bhagat upasakh. In the eyes of panj pyares full surrender of their tan, dhann , mann to guru mahraj was matter of life and death for premis full surrender of their head was life and other manmukh jevan is death there is no middle ground there when stakes are too high.

Hopefully this clarification help.