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No, I support Sant Jarnail Singh Ji, but what I am trying to say we are all part of the Khalsa and picking favorites of who's hands the Akal Takht should go to is risky. Akal Takht has superiority. Seriously we don't know how our jathedars are picked out these days, but most likely ones who do service of Badal. Right now to be completely honest today's Taksal is not what is was like in the 20th century. Dhumma is big sellout and a disgrace to the Taksal. Once all Indian politicans especially Punjab ones have their hands off of Sikh institutions which only can be done with the sword and not the pen and our Sikh leaders are chosen wisely depending on their jeevan not their service to politicans then I will have some hope. But on a serious note, Akal Takht needs to be in hands of the Khalsa again not pakhandi Sikh politican sellouts.

Guru Gobind Singh Ji started the Taksal and was it's first Jathedar, Baba Deep Singh Ji was the second. (So they had great leaders since the beginning, not just Jarnail Singh Bhinderwale), many shaheeds and great leaders have been Jathedars, many of whom are remembered. Thakur Singh wasn't a bad guy either. Who do you think should lead the Akal Takht? All the way since the 18th century not the 20th.
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He's a taksali.

Bro by June 1984 Sant Ji were no longer Taksali + that's proved by the reality that a minority of the shaheeds in Bluestar Genocide were former Taksali's as Indira Gandhi and Congress had totally infiltrated Taksal bigwigs like Dhumma by then. Remember people like Dhumma were responsible for DamDami Taksal campaigning for Indira Gandhi + Congress in the 1980 elections. If DamDami Taksal hadn't supported Indira Gandhi in 1980 then the last 35years of hell could have been avoided. Sant Ji in June 1984 said none of these jatha's and samparda's mattered and that the only thing that counts is allegiance to the Sikh Panth in order to serve humanity like Sant Ji did.

Thakur Singh wasn't a bad guy either. Who do you think should lead the Akal Takht? All the way since the 18th century not the 20th.

Bro DamDami Taksal have no connection to Takht Sri Damdama Sahib as DDT originate from Bhinder Kalan.

Guru Gobind Singh Ji was Jagat Guru + Shaheed Baba Deep Singh Ji belonged to the whole Panth.

Baba Deep Singh Ji did not do Sri Chand Puja like DamDami Taksal + wouldn't have supported Congress in 1980.

DamDami Taksal was set up in the 20th century by Sunder Singh Ji after education from Pandits.

Hence their name was Nirmala Sunder Singh Ji (founder of DamDami Taksal in the 20th century).

Giani Thakur Singh Ji claimed that Sant Ji were still alive after June 1984 even though for the last 31 years plus the vast majority of the Panth realise that Sant Ji became shaheed trying to save innocent people from the Genocide launched by Indira Gandhi.

The Akal Takht should be lead the Panj Piare who are the five best Gurmukhs our Panth has to offer (regardless of jatha or samparda) as the only thing that should matter is the Sikh Panth and Sarbat da Bhala.

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Guru Gobind Singh Ji started the Taksal and was it's first Jathedar, Baba Deep Singh Ji was the second. (So they had great leaders since the beginning, not just Jarnail Singh Bhinderwale), many shaheeds and great leaders have been Jathedars, many of whom are remembered. Thakur Singh wasn't a bad guy either. Who do you think should lead the Akal Takht? All the way since the 18th century not the 20th.

No doubt Damdami Taksal has had pooran mahapurakhs in their lineage of jathedars and great contributors to the panth like Sant Gurbachan Singh, Sant Kartar Singh and so on. But you think Dhumma was selected by the Taksal themselves? In no way I want to do nindiya of Dhumma but one has to agree he isn't fit for the authority of the Taksal. Even to this day the jathedar spot is in confusion at the Taksal as Badal picks his own choice who will do work for him. So sadly I have to say Taksal is monitored by the gov. but hopefully in the future that changes. In my opinion I would want someone picked from sarbat khalsa that should happen at Akal Takht. I support anyone who isn't afraid of speaking for the Truth and standing up for the Guru's teachings and has a high jeevan and has a good reputation already in the panth. Now I don't mind at all if it is a Singh or Jathedar from Taksal or Buddha Dal or neither to be honest. Right now I would want Bhai Amrik Singh Ajnala to be the Akal Takht jathedar who would be a big change for the Panth but that will never happen to be honest. He is a Taksali of course and I have no problem and he doesn't really associate himself with Dhumma as much as I know but I can tell you he is one of the only taksalis I really look up too from the 1970's and 1980's struggles who isn't quitting on getting justice.

Now interestingly though, in the 90's Shaheed Gurdev Singh Kaunke was Akal Takht jathedar for a while and however he was picked though through the indian gov. agencies spying at Harmandar Sahib, I will never understand how but he did do a lot of parchar in short time and ended up shaheed.

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Bro by June 1984 Sant Ji were no longer Taksali + that's proved by the reality that a minority of the shaheeds in Bluestar Genocide were former Taksali's as Indira Gandhi and Congress had totally infiltrated Taksal bigwigs like Dhumma by then. Remember people like Dhumma were responsible for DamDami Taksal campaigning for Indira Gandhi + Congress in the 1980 elections. If DamDami Taksal hadn't supported Indira Gandhi in 1980 then the last 35years of hell could have been avoided. Sant Ji in June 1984 said none of these jatha's and samparda's mattered and that the only thing that counts is allegiance to the Sikh Panth in order to serve humanity like Sant Ji did.

Bro DamDami Taksal have no connection to Takht Sri Damdama Sahib as DDT originate from Bhinder Kalan.

Guru Gobind Singh Ji was Jagat Guru + Shaheed Baba Deep Singh Ji belonged to the whole Panth.

Baba Deep Singh Ji did not do Sri Chand Puja like DamDami Taksal + wouldn't have supported Congress in 1980.

DamDami Taksal was set up in the 20th century by Sunder Singh Ji after education from Pandits.

Hence their name was Nirmala Sunder Singh Ji (founder of DamDami Taksal in the 20th century).

Giani Thakur Singh Ji claimed that Sant Ji were still alive after June 1984 even though for the last 31 years plus the vast majority of the Panth realise that Sant Ji became shaheed trying to save innocent people from the Genocide launched by Indira Gandhi.

The Akal Takht should be lead the Panj Piare who are the five best Gurmukhs our Panth has to offer (regardless of jatha or samparda) as the only thing that should matter is the Sikh Panth and Sarbat da Bhala.

Pretty sure DDT dates back to Baba Deep Singh but the name changed though throughout time. Maybe I'm wrong though.

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Pretty sure DDT dates back to Baba Deep Singh but the name changed though throughout time. Maybe I'm wrong though.

Dhumma etc are just being clever bro.

Taksal (as in place of learning) at Takht Damdama Sahib was led by Shaheed Baba Deep Singh Ji but Chowk Mehta Taksal have zero connection to that. DDT can't even pretend the name changed over time as they started in 1900's.

They originated in the 20th century with Nirmala Sunder Singh Ji who was taught by various Pandits.

The reason Zail Sin focussed on promoting them and made the name DDT popular and falsely associated it with Shaheed Baba Deep Singh Ji is that Longowal was the jathedar of Takht Sri Damdama Sahib. So what better way for Congress to undermine the Anandpur Sahib resolution pushed by Longowal than by getting DDT (who have nothing to do with Shaheed Baba Deep Singh Ji) to campaign for Congress in the 1980 elections. DDT's actions in 1980 directly led to Indira Gandhi gaining back power and starting her plans of Genocide against the Sikh Panth.

DDT live entirely off the one true gem for the Sikh Panth. And that one true gem rejected DDT ideology by June 1984.

Sant Ji realised by June 1984 that DDT had been thoroughly infiltrated by Congress and that's why Sant Ji and all our mahaan shaheeds pledged loyality to only a 100% united, jatha-free, samparda-free, corruption-free, Khalsa Panth dedicated to protecting the innocent.

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Dhumma etc are just being clever bro.

Taksal (as in place of learning) at Takht Damdama Sahib was led by Shaheed Baba Deep Singh Ji but Chowk Mehta Taksal have zero connection to that. DDT can't even pretend the name changed over time as they started in 1900's.

They originated in the 20th century with Nirmala Sunder Singh Ji who was taught by various Pandits.

The reason Zail Sin focussed on promoting them and made the name DDT popular and falsely associated it with Shaheed Baba Deep Singh Ji is that Longowal was the jathedar of Takht Sri Damdama Sahib. So what better way for Congress to undermine the Anandpur Sahib resolution pushed by Longowal than by getting DDT (who have nothing to do with Shaheed Baba Deep Singh Ji) to campaign for Congress in the 1980 elections. DDT's actions in 1980 directly led to Indira Gandhi gaining back power and starting her plans of Genocide against the Sikh Panth.

DDT live entirely off the one true gem for the Sikh Panth. And that one true gem rejected DDT ideology by June 1984.

Sant Ji realised by June 1984 that DDT had been thoroughly infiltrated by Congress and that's why Sant Ji and all our mahaan shaheeds pledged loyality to only a 100% united, jatha-free, samparda-free, corruption-free, Khalsa Panth dedicated to protecting the innocent.

Spreading lies about DamDami Taksal!!! You are a coward behind a computer. The Taksal started by Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji and lastly run by Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa has nothing but sacrificed their lives for the Khalsa Panth. There is not an ounce of merit to your claims. I don't belong to the Taksal, but neither will I slander or let the slander of it go unquestioned. Go sit down with Bhai Sahib Ajnala and ask him the history of DamDami Taksal. I walked straight up to your missionary leader and the coward ran off with his tail between his legs. Where is your izzat? Taksal has lined Singh after Singh on the firing line and took bullets for the Khalsa Panth. They have taught millions of Sikhs Gurbani. What is your credentials? You can't even understand a simple shabad of Gurbani and had to run to a first grade failure of Gurbani teachings. You learned to read english translations of Gurbani and now you believe to be a giani......oooo sorry, I meant to say professor.

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^ lol u still totally failed to show a single shred of evidence to link DDT to Guru Gobind Singh Ji

Guru Sahib does not support corrupt murderers involved in Genocide by campaigning for them in 1980 elections.

Reason being that before Giani Sunder Singh Nirmale set up DDT in the 20th century the teaching was all gotten from Pandit Jwala Das + various other Pandits + Hindu Mahants in charge of Gurdwara's like Patna Sahib back then.

How dare u link Shaheed-e-Qaum Singh Soorma Baba Deep Singh Ji with DDT that supported Indira Gandhi + Congress in 1980 elections and that directly enabled her to gain power to begin her Genocide of the Sikhs.

If u had any knowledge of Punjab other than sitting behind a computer in America u would know that (Talwandi Sabo) Takht Sri Damdama Sahib is in Malwa and 28km south of Bathinda.

Bhinder Kalan Taksal or DDT as they started calling themselves in the 20th century are based 28km north of Amritsar!

Chowk Mehta Taksal (Jatha Bhindran) was the real name.

There are lots of seminaries called Taksal not related to DDT. As Taksal itself simply means a place of learning.

If I set up "Gobind Taksal" tomorrow it won't mean that Guru Gobind Singh Ji set up the new 2015 organisation!

Dude u might be able to lie + falsely link DDT with Guru Sahib but people on the ground, in Punjab know that DDT have absolutely nothing to do with Takht Sri Damdama Sahib historically and the only reason the name DDT was played upon was because Longowal was the jathedar of Takht Sri Damdama Sahib.

You're right that the bigwigs like Dhumma who held all discussions with Zail Sin about DDT's support for Indira Gandhi + Congress in the 1980 elections are indirectly responsible for making thousands of our Panth's naujawaan shaheed. The Panth gives Bhai Amrik Singh Ajnala credit that he was one of the voices within DDT at the time who opposed the support for Indira Gandhi + Congress. Unlike cheats like Dhumma, Sant Ji put the Panth 1st + even Sant Ji admitted in hindsight that DDT made a mistake in 1980 because of Zail Sin's allies embedded by Congress inside DDT ignored the viewpoints of Sant Ji, Bhai Amrik Singh + true Gurmukhs who wanted nothing to do with politics.

Your claims have as much credibility as Niddar Sin claiming he is the last Nihang from the lineage of Guru ki ladli fauj.

What's next just because u got a handle called akalifauj you're gonna somehow claim that u got your mandate to be an internet gangster bad boy direct from Akali Phula Singh Ji? Get real dude u have a 1inch toy kirpan on your neck!

You akalifauj even lie that Sant Ji are still alive+well in 2015 living life somewhere in order to tarnish Sant Ji's legacy.

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^ lol u still totally failed to show a single shred of evidence to link DDT to Guru Gobind Singh Ji

Guru Sahib does not support corrupt murderers involved in Genocide by campaigning for them in 1980 elections.

Reason being that before Giani Sunder Singh Nirmale set up DDT in the 20th century the teaching was all gotten from Pandit Jwala Das + various other Pandits + Hindu Mahants in charge of Gurdwara's like Patna Sahib back then.

How dare u link Shaheed-e-Qaum Singh Soorma Baba Deep Singh Ji with DDT that supported Indira Gandhi + Congress in 1980 elections and that directly enabled her to gain power to begin her Genocide of the Sikhs.

If u had any knowledge of Punjab other than sitting behind a computer in America u would know that (Talwandi Sabo) Takht Sri Damdama Sahib is in Malwa and 28km south of Bathinda.

Bhinder Kalan Taksal or DDT as they started calling themselves in the 20th century are based 28km north of Amritsar!

Chowk Mehta Taksal (Jatha Bhindran) was the real name.

There are lots of seminaries called Taksal not related to DDT. As Taksal itself simply means a place of learning.

If I set up "Gobind Taksal" tomorrow it won't mean that Guru Gobind Singh Ji set up the new 2015 organisation!

Dude u might be able to lie + falsely link DDT with Guru Sahib but people on the ground, in Punjab know that DDT have absolutely nothing to do with Takht Sri Damdama Sahib historically and the only reason the name DDT was played upon was because Longowal was the jathedar of Takht Sri Damdama Sahib.

You're right that the bigwigs like Dhumma who held all discussions with Zail Sin about DDT's support for Indira Gandhi + Congress in the 1980 elections are indirectly responsible for making thousands of our Panth's naujawaan shaheed. The Panth gives Bhai Amrik Singh Ajnala credit that he was one of the voices within DDT at the time who opposed the support for Indira Gandhi + Congress. Unlike cheats like Dhumma, Sant Ji put the Panth 1st + even Sant Ji admitted in hindsight that DDT made a mistake in 1980 because of Zail Sin's allies embedded by Congress inside DDT ignored the viewpoints of Sant Ji, Bhai Amrik Singh + true Gurmukhs who wanted nothing to do with politics.

Your claims have as much credibility as Niddar Sin claiming he is the last Nihang from the lineage of Guru ki ladli fauj.

What's next just because u got a handle called akalifauj you're gonna somehow claim that u got your mandate to be an internet gangster bad boy direct from Akali Phula Singh Ji? Get real dude u have a 1inch toy kirpan on your neck!

You akalifauj even lie that Sant Ji are still alive+well in 2015 living life somewhere in order to tarnish Sant Ji's legacy.

Have you even been on the DDT website? They clearly show all of their leaders, from Guru Gobind Singh Ji to Thakur Singh. The don't even show the current one because that's disputed within the Taksal.

^ lol u still totally failed to show a single shred of evidence to link DDT to Guru Gobind Singh Ji

Guru Sahib does not support corrupt murderers involved in Genocide by campaigning for them in 1980 elections.

Reason being that before Giani Sunder Singh Nirmale set up DDT in the 20th century the teaching was all gotten from Pandit Jwala Das + various other Pandits + Hindu Mahants in charge of Gurdwara's like Patna Sahib back then.

How dare u link Shaheed-e-Qaum Singh Soorma Baba Deep Singh Ji with DDT that supported Indira Gandhi + Congress in 1980 elections and that directly enabled her to gain power to begin her Genocide of the Sikhs.

If u had any knowledge of Punjab other than sitting behind a computer in America u would know that (Talwandi Sabo) Takht Sri Damdama Sahib is in Malwa and 28km south of Bathinda.

Bhinder Kalan Taksal or DDT as they started calling themselves in the 20th century are based 28km north of Amritsar!

Chowk Mehta Taksal (Jatha Bhindran) was the real name.

There are lots of seminaries called Taksal not related to DDT. As Taksal itself simply means a place of learning.

If I set up "Gobind Taksal" tomorrow it won't mean that Guru Gobind Singh Ji set up the new 2015 organisation!

Dude u might be able to lie + falsely link DDT with Guru Sahib but people on the ground, in Punjab know that DDT have absolutely nothing to do with Takht Sri Damdama Sahib historically and the only reason the name DDT was played upon was because Longowal was the jathedar of Takht Sri Damdama Sahib.

You're right that the bigwigs like Dhumma who held all discussions with Zail Sin about DDT's support for Indira Gandhi + Congress in the 1980 elections are indirectly responsible for making thousands of our Panth's naujawaan shaheed. The Panth gives Bhai Amrik Singh Ajnala credit that he was one of the voices within DDT at the time who opposed the support for Indira Gandhi + Congress. Unlike cheats like Dhumma, Sant Ji put the Panth 1st + even Sant Ji admitted in hindsight that DDT made a mistake in 1980 because of Zail Sin's allies embedded by Congress inside DDT ignored the viewpoints of Sant Ji, Bhai Amrik Singh + true Gurmukhs who wanted nothing to do with politics.

Your claims have as much credibility as Niddar Sin claiming he is the last Nihang from the lineage of Guru ki ladli fauj.

What's next just because u got a handle called akalifauj you're gonna somehow claim that u got your mandate to be an internet gangster bad boy direct from Akali Phula Singh Ji? Get real dude u have a 1inch toy kirpan on your neck!

You akalifauj even lie that Sant Ji are still alive+well in 2015 living life somewhere in order to tarnish Sant Ji's legacy.

Have you even been on the DDT website? They clearly show all of their leaders, from Guru Gobind Singh Ji to Thakur Singh. The don't even show the current one because that's disputed within the Taksal.
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Bro by June 1984 Sant Ji were no longer Taksali + that's proved by the reality that a minority of the shaheeds in Bluestar Genocide were former Taksali's as Indira Gandhi and Congress had totally infiltrated Taksal bigwigs like Dhumma by then. Remember people like Dhumma were responsible for DamDami Taksal campaigning for Indira Gandhi + Congress in the 1980 elections. If DamDami Taksal hadn't supported Indira Gandhi in 1980 then the last 35years of hell could have been avoided. Sant Ji in June 1984 said none of these jatha's and samparda's mattered and that the only thing that counts is allegiance to the Sikh Panth in order to serve humanity like Sant Ji did.

Bro DamDami Taksal have no connection to Takht Sri Damdama Sahib as DDT originate from Bhinder Kalan.

Guru Gobind Singh Ji was Jagat Guru + Shaheed Baba Deep Singh Ji belonged to the whole Panth.

Baba Deep Singh Ji did not do Sri Chand Puja like DamDami Taksal + wouldn't have supported Congress in 1980.

DamDami Taksal was set up in the 20th century by Sunder Singh Ji after education from Pandits.

Hence their name was Nirmala Sunder Singh Ji (founder of DamDami Taksal in the 20th century).

Giani Thakur Singh Ji claimed that Sant Ji were still alive after June 1984 even though for the last 31 years plus the vast majority of the Panth realise that Sant Ji became shaheed trying to save innocent people from the Genocide launched by Indira Gandhi.

The Akal Takht should be lead the Panj Piare who are the five best Gurmukhs our Panth has to offer (regardless of jatha or samparda) as the only thing that should matter is the Sikh Panth and Sarbat da Bhala.

Damdami Taksal Was started by Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj.

With the First Jathedar being Baba Deep Singh Ji.

Damdami Taksal wasn't started by Sant Sunder Singh Ji.

Sant Baba Bishan SIngh Ji Tied the Dastar for Sant Sunder Singh to become Jathedar. And before that came Sant Baba Harnam Singh JI .

Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwale stated that Baba Deep Singh Ji was the first Jathedar, and the taksaal was started by Guru Gobind Singh Ji.

So either state they are wrong or otherwise.

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Rid gurdwaras of politics, say Sikh intellectuals

Posted at: Jun 8 2015 1:09AM

Perneet Singh

Tribune News Service

Amritsar, June 7

Perturbed over another clash at the Golden Temple Complex on the Operation Bluestar anniversary, Sikh intellectuals say this disturbing trend reflects the community in poor light.

They believe there is an urgent need to rid gurdwaras of politics while those associated with the SGPC are seeking a thorough probe into the incident to expose the forces behind it.

Talking to The Tribune, former National Commission for Minorities chairman Tarlochan Singh termed it a consequence of leadership failure.

The post of Jathedar has been reduced to a mere decorative one as they neither have the authority nor any following. He also raised a question mark over organising such events at the Golden Temple complex.

These are purely religious places for solace of mind and they should remain so. The holy shrine should not be turned into a political battleground. We should keep it free from politics, he said.

According to him, incidents like yesterdays violent clash are damaging Sikh tenets and faith. He also wondered what people gain by brandishing swords at the Golden Temple complex.

He said the religious places should not politicised and the jathedars should find a permanent solution to it.

Noted Sikh scholar Ashok Singh Bagrian also felt that the first thing that needs to be done today is to divest gurdwaras of politics.

This (yesterdays clash) is the result of politics dominating the gurdwaras. People must understand that a gurdwara is not a place to fight. The community as a whole should raise the voice on this issue. It is never too late. He also wondered why political leaders were totally silent on the issue.

SGPC member Bibi Kiranjot Kaur felt that the community has suffered a lot after Operation Bluestar but there has been no sense of closure at all. She said todays youth are directionless as there is no Sikh leader (non-political) who can channelise their energy in a positive manner and guide them.

She said the sort of hooliganism which was resorted to by Sikh youths in yesterdays clash was damaging to the community.

She said it needs to be investigated that while nothing happened in the first 30 years, why such clashes have been taking place on the anniversary over the past couple of years.

Who is sending these youths many of whom are clean-shaved? Why are they creating fear among devotees by brandishing swords? All this needs to be thoroughly probed, she said.

Former Guru Nanak Dev University VC SP Singh said it reflects an undercurrent of some sort of resentment with the Panthic policy of those at the helm of affairs. He said this undercurrent needs to be checked as it is not a healthy sign. If ignored, the resentment will only increase, which will lead to an alarming situation, he added.

Former SGPC secretary Kulwant Singh justified the action taken by the SGPC task force against the Sikh youth. While the SGPC task forces action was flayed last year, it was not the case this time, he added.

Source - http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab/rid-gurdwaras-of-politics-say-sikh-intellectuals/90946.html

The SGPC members are money hungry corrupt atheist freemason morons who are they to decide what goes on in the Sikh religions anyways? They dont have any credibility and authority any more thats why Sikhs dont listen to them. Sikhs only respect leaders and organisations that have pro-sikh interests at heart and those who safeguard the lives and livelihoods of Sikhs across the world. SGPC has failed in all aspects and seen the decline of Sikh demographics and influence in the world thus making those who run it atheist punjabi non-sikhs and it a defunct non-sikh entity.

Does this tarlochan singh even know the history of darbar sahib and Sikh gurdwara's? The very symbol of Sikh political independence and thought that is the Sri Akal takht, the Sikh parliament was built by Guru Hargobind Sahib ji for Sikhs to have political and religious spiritual authority over their own affairs and destiny. How can you remove politics from gurdwaras when our Sikh history tells its story of Sikhs using gurdwara's not only for religious prayers but also have political discussions and plan political rallies / movements. Sikh gurdwara's were used as places for refuge and storing of arms against the invading forces of islamic mughuls, persians, afghans and British white christian colonialists and recent times the atheist secular Indian army/govt.

What is needed to prevent clashes at gurdwara's is everyone to observe a code of conduct that no Sikh is allowed to disrespect another Sikh of any sect/jatha within a gurdwara premises and no Sikh is allowed to use any physical force against another Sikh. Civilised behaviour is what is lacking instead of behaving like jungali's that have no respect for the sangat or Guru ji. Those clowns and thugs who start the fights will be labelled a non-sikh and rightfully barred from the premises. Also CCTV should be used in places where controversial political discussions are taking place so that there is evidence and everyone knows who has started the trouble,

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