Sant Hari Singh Randhawa Wale Controversy

[KhoonKaBadlaKhoon]

I did watch part of the sakhi they were referring too as my Bhabhi reposted it on her feed FB , posted by missionary/reactionaries ...I couldn't understand why Guru ji would discriminate against anyone unless they were polluted of mind ...given Asa di vaar sutak references etc and sakhis I heard about Guru ji bringing a beggar into darbar who was afflicted by wounds which had flies getting attracted etc ...I hadn't heard this sakhi before and the recording was a little hard to hear clearly any clue which sakhi and source it was taken from?

No clue, brother, I didn't really dig into it, sorry.

[JagsawSingh]

You'll find the word 'missionary' used more times in this thread than you would in a Phd thesis entitled 'The History of Missionaries' written by a student of the Missionology faculty of the University of Missionchester.

Those ladies and gentlemen that were disagreeing with the baba are probably reading this thread and thinking "what the hell is a missionary?" "I've never met a missionary" "I don't even know what one looks like" "and yet every message in every page of this sikhi message forum thread describes me as belonging to a group of infamous missionaries !!! :wow: "

Lets get one thing straight from the onset; Those ladies in the video are hardly great Sikhs and with their closely trimmed eyebrows and make-up do not give the impression of being authorities on any sikhi spiritual matters. They are not. But that doesn't mean they are supporters and lackeys of a group of missionaries. They are just people with an opinion. Debate and reason with them but the minute your argument becomes nothing more than constantly labelling them 'missionaries' you have lost the argument.

[MisterrSingh]

What exactly was said by Baba Ji regarding the "impurity" of women? Did he actually say such a thing?

[jkvlondon]

What exactly was said by Baba Ji regarding the "impurity" of women? Did he actually say such a thing?

found the video

I really was puzzled by this ...sakhi? Given Guru Nanak Dev Ji faisla in Gurbani about sutak . Given by the fact that Guru ji uplifted women by saying you no longer are a kalnkni if your husband or child dies , that you are equal in spiritual duties to Men i.e. all the moments of your life you pray , nitnem is constant unlike my Muslim sisters who are told not to go to mosque , to not do namaz and this is then used as a justification to count her devotion to Allah as lesser and thus her worth as well. My Hindu sisters and Jewish Sisters are also treated as polluting too during this time some sects of christians believe this too.

Guru Gobind SIngh ji had Mata Bhag Kaur as his personal Bodyguard does this mean she was excused duties at that time...if one followed the line of argument it sounds as if he is saying a woman in that state should not come to Guruji darbar or do matha tek ...so wrong ...

[MisterrSingh]

found the video

I really was puzzled by this ...sakhi?

Hmm... where is this sakhi from? Is it from a Granth or the works of a scholar?

I guess the pertinent question is who else amongst the Holy men and learned of Sikhi concur with this katha? Is it accurate according to Gurmat, whether we like it or not?

I begin to worry when I hear someone of that position and status in a religion say, "If you question me or the reasoning I've just presented, you're going against the tenets of your faith." I expect that from some other faiths, but not Sikhi.

[JagsawSingh]

Guru Gobind SIngh ji had Mata Bhag Kaur as his personal Bodyguard does this mean she was excused duties at that time...if one followed the line of argument it sounds as if he is saying a woman in that state should not come to Guruji darbar or do matha tek ...so wrong ...

Of course it's wrong but you do realise, don't you, that according to every message in this thread you are now officially a fully paid up member of a group of 'missionaries' ? You didn't realise it, because it must have been happening while you were asleep, but you started attending secret meetings with these 'missionaries' and they brainwashed you into confronting this Baba and his ideas.

One person on this thread called the people who confronted the Baba 'missionaries'. Next thing you know every person on every subsequent message was doing the same. It finally got to the stage, JKVLONDON, in your first contribution to the thread (message 33 on this page), that you yourself got caught up in it too and also referred to them as 'missionaries' :nono:

Given the fact that you have now, following my message that followed, actually sat down and thought about this, you are now officialy a 'former missionary'

[jkvlondon]

Of course it's wrong but you do realise, don't you, that according to every message in this thread you are now officially a fully paid up member of a group of 'missionaries' ? You didn't realise it, because it must have been happening while you were asleep, but you started attending secret meetings with these 'missionaries' and they brainwashed you into confronting this Baba and his ideas.

One person on this thread called the people who confronted the Baba 'missionaries'. Next thing you know every person on every subsequent message was doing the same. It finally got to the stage, JKVLONDON, in your first contribution to the thread (message 33 on this page), that you yourself got caught up in it too and also referred to them as 'missionaries' :nono:

Given the fact that you have now, following my message that followed, actually sat down and thought about this, you are now officialy a 'former missionary'

Veer ji ,

it's just that this was posted by a channel with those aims ...that's why I didn't watch the whole thing originally just up to when he said Guru ji moved away from third Rani ... it just didn't make me feel good to listen such negative message ...of course one would never go on tabiya that's OK but when doing matha tekna is shown as not parvan it made me feel so sad...

[MisterrSingh]

One thing's for certain, those apes who went on the rampage when this issue originally arose have made darn sure no rehat-adhering Sikh will question Baba Ji and take them to task for making an erroneous statement - if it is against Gurmat - because nobody in their right mind will want to side with the missionary position on this issue.

[Jonny101]

Jagsaw Singh jee, if it looks, walks and quacks like a duck then chances are it's probably a duck. The men who came for the debate are all hardcore missionaries. They use the same debate tactics that missionaries do i.e. rely on science over Gurbani. In the debate they gave further proof of their missionary identity where they repeatedly call Amrit as Khande Ki Pahul. While both words are interchangeable and both are equally Parvan. but missionaries insist that Amrit cannot be used since they claim that the term Amrit is also used by Hindus while Khande Ki Pahul is not. Next they will say we should not eat Aloo Gobi because Hindus also eat Aloo Gobi.

The people who were used for attack purposes by the missionaries are typically all Patits. They do not follow the religion themselves. They came there with the firm intention to not allow Hari Singh to perform Katha no matter hwat. The organizers and people in Sangat can be seen begging them to allow the Katha to continue and they will be allowed to question him after the Katha. They were disrupting the Dhadi Jatha who belong to a Shaheed family. They pushed people in the Sangat. Sangat is Guru Roop, that means they pushed around our Guru. I ask you is this how a person should behave in Hazuri of Guru Maharaj? Even animals would not react this way.

There is a way of doing things. When Hari Singh clearly gave the assurance that he will talk with them AFTER the katha was over. What need was there to act like wild animals despite assurances of talks?? I myself am not a fan of Giani Hari Singh because of his(and rest of Sant Samaj's) alliance with Badal, but one thing I have come to note of him is that he never runs away from the hard questions. He will face them and answer them. Can the same be said of Dhunda, Darshan Lal, panthpreet and missionary parcharaks who barely ever sit to do such debates and if they do they get up and leave when faced with hard questions because the answers to those hard questions might reveal their real hardcore Kala Afghanist views which they try so hard to hide.

And periods of a woman having nothing really to do with this whole thing. Their real issue with him is that he openly and firmly stand up for Dasam Granth which the missionaries have an allergy to. They cannot tolerate anyone standing up for Dasam Granth. They will watch all of Giani Hari Singh's kathas, nitpick and dissect them for any issue. When the missionary Patits were acting wildly in the Gurdwara, look how civilized Hari Singh's followers were. Not one fought with them, hit them or even spoke in a loud voice reprimanding them even though the missionaries deserved a chittar beating in my opinion. Instead they all reacted by requesting them with folded hands to allow katha to continue. Compare this with a few years ago when some Singhs tried to disrupt Dhunda's Katha in some Canadian province because Dhunda had insulted the Kirtan of Darbar Sahib by saying it is even worse than a prostitute, those Singhs were beaten and thrown out by Dhunda's missionary/ patit supporters.

[SadSingh]

delate posted it twice by mistake