Hypothetical New Sikh Sect That Accepts Homosexuality

[Guest Jacfsing2]

First of all, not following rehat doesn't make a non-Sikh evil or a sinner. Sikhs from other jathas could argue you're a sinner because you don't follow THEIR rehat.

As for non-Sikhs you xould say they are uninformed or unaware, yes I suppose, but not a bad person. Secondly, there was hardly a mention of the word forgiveness in your original post. If that's what you meant then you're right in that particular context, brother. I'm still not certain I'm on-board with exemptions to sin and stuff. Maybe it's my understanding? If so I apologise.

I understand, but the idea of exception to Sin, is that non-Sikhs should be allowed to do stuff that Sikhs wouldn't do, such as eating halal, adultery and fornification, Kes-Cutting, and so on. Also I believe that we are all bad and only Guru Sahib is good. (As humans definition of good is different from Vaheguru's definition).

[jkvlondon]

The amount of people who pretend to be "cured" is ridiculous. Its just Christians who want to spread the idea that homosexuality can be cured.

maybe Veer ji it's just a case of passing phase in youth or bi-curiosity in these cases and they realise or find the ideal partner in the opposite sex... I know many people are now Asexual they just feel No inclination for any Kaamic act, in fact it is a problem affecting many urban Japanese youth these days . It takes all sorts to fill the world and we should have enough compassion to accept the differences , but that does not change SRM with regard to Anand Karaj .

[MisterrSingh]

I understand, but the idea of exception to Sin, is that non-Sikhs should be allowed to do stuff that Sikhs wouldn't do, such as eating halal, adultery and fornification, Kes-Cutting, and so on. Also I believe that we are all bad and only Guru Sahib is good. (As humans definition of good is different from Vaheguru's definition).

I see, bro. Sometimes I need things spelling out for me, hehe, other times I'm more than fine. My brain gets tired very easily, lol. I wasn't getting your gist earlier on.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

maybe Veer ji it's just a case of passing phase in youth or bi-curiosity in these cases and they realise or find the ideal partner in the opposite sex... I know many people are now Asexual they just feel No inclination for any Kaamic act, in fact it is a problem affecting many urban Japanese youth these days . It takes all sorts to fill the world and we should have enough compassion to accept the differences , but that does not change SRM with regard to Anand Karaj .

The Japanese problem of asexuality is mostly caused by pornography, which Japan as a Shinto country would have, since they glorify Sex through their "gods".

I see, bro. Sometimes I need things spelling out for me, hehe, other times I'm more than fine. My brain gets tired very easily, lol. I wasn't getting your gist earlier on.

That's ok

[Kira]

Someone pretended to be black to fight for blacks rights even if they're white.

I heard about that. But it's sort of a different case as She was a leader of a massive organization consisting of mainly blacks. I don't see why someone would have to say "oh im white" or "oh im a guy" when they try to advocate for the rights of a certain group,gender or nation. It makes illogical sense. Even in our own History our Guru ji advocated woman rights.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

I heard about that. But it's sort of a different case as She was a leader of a massive organization consisting of mainly blacks. I don't see why someone would have to say "oh im white" or "oh im a guy" when they try to advocate for the rights of a certain group,gender or nation. It makes illogical sense. Even in our own History our Guru ji advocated woman rights.

Guru Sahib didn't pretend to be a girl, but that person did pretend to be black, lying to many people. Guru Sahib is the ruler of the world, but didn't pretend to be part of the majority: Paapi's, (although our Gurus were humble).

[Kira]

Guru Sahib didn't pretend to be a girl, but that person did pretend to be black, lying to many people. Guru Sahib is the ruler of the world, but didn't pretend to be part of the majority: Paapi's, (although our Gurus were humble).

Oh you're not wrong there. I apologize if I made it sound like I was endorsing his behavior. What I meant was that's just one egg, there are thousands of men who support woman's rights or thousands of whites who support black rights. but none of them have the desire or the need to be the ideal they endorse.

[KhoonKaBadlaKhoon]

maybe Veer ji it's just a case of passing phase in youth or bi-curiosity in these cases and they realise or find the ideal partner in the opposite sex... I know many people are now Asexual they just feel No inclination for any Kaamic act, in fact it is a problem affecting many urban Japanese youth these days . It takes all sorts to fill the world and we should have enough compassion to accept the differences , but that does not change SRM with regard to Anand Karaj .

That I understand and can believe, I fully agree with you there bro. And btw I do not agree to change anything regarding Anand Karaj. But the reason I don't believe most of these people claiming to be cured is because of Christians doing pakhand like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Fqn2HJ1gk

[Akalifauj]

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[jkvlondon]

There is evidence of Sant Jarnail Singh ji saying don't let anyone allow women in the punj pyare. If they do, deal with them appropriately. The Jathedar of Taksal is calling a practice in the SRM as wrong. The video of sant ji is common knowledge in the khalsa panth. If you need to refresh your memory please look it up on youtube.

OK athough SRM is agreed maryada across board there are some points that do not address contentious issues but agree to allow different jathebandis and takhts to differ e.g. Ragmala, female in panj piarey but if you think about it even taksali maryada allows female paredar or granthi for amrit sanchar just not punj piare, Reharaas Sahib length. etc