If Sikhs Were Forced To Marry Gay Couples?

[Kira]

Same sex couple - no offspring

No offspring = nature unbalance

Guru sahib ji would never allow things that is against natural balance.

Having offspring can bad in some situations though.

[ms514]

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

Most of you must be from the UK, where the system of religious marriage and a registered civil (legally recognized marriage) are intertwined.

The Supreme Court decision impacts civil marriage and recognition of same gender marriage. It does not obligate any religious group to perform any marriage ceremony for same gender marriages. There is separation of church and state here and no such obligation is present on any religious group to perform religious marriages for same gender couples. It requires that the law recognize same gender marriages. The implications relate to health care, taxes and other legal matters in which having same gender marriages impart many legal benefits that were not available before.

[KhoonKaBadlaKhoon]

The goal of heterosexual marriages in Sikhi is to have an offspring and to have a paka sahayat/partner who will not leave you, and the goal is not necessarily to enjoy sexual kaam.. If you have an offspring you can teach them dharm, and they will teach dharm to those who ask them as well which leads to giving other kalyan. If you are homosexual in Sikhi, you can have a homosexual partner if you'd like, just not marry because the main goal is to have an offspring in marriage.

**I feel like I am being rude, but I really am not trying to come off rude.

What if they adopt?...

[S1ngh]

Main point is that WOULD our guru sahib jee allow a system where a relationship of same sexes simply cannot (scientifically) produce offspring. If all becomes Homosexual then how human race can survive. It is totally flawed.

Having offspring can bad in some situations though.

ji so true.. but that does not mean we stop em. If there are evils then on the other side we have saints too..

What about low fertility rates?

All of em ? Yes humans have that problem along with many other but that is karma.

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If waheguru ji wanted then he/she could have made same sex couple to concieve the offspring. However that is not the case. We as Sikhs 100% respect LGBT even fighting for their rights when it comes for medical help (US) but saying that "Sikhs or Sikhism" support this lifestyle is totally wrong.

[Balkaar]

Same sex couple - no offspring

No offspring = nature unbalance

Guru sahib ji would never allow things that is against natural balance.

So is it wrong for two people who are infertile to be married?

[JSinghnz]

So is it wrong for two people who are infertile to be married?

What an illogical comparison.

[Balkaar]

What an illogical comparison.

No, not really.

If the inability to have offspring equals natural imbalance, an infertile couple are naturally imbalanced.

And if marriage between two homosexuals is impermissible on the grounds that it is naturally imbalanced, then the same could be said of a marriage between two people who cannot have children.

Just looking for some consistency in your arguments.

[S1ngh]

So is it wrong for two people who are infertile to be married?

And if marriage between two homosexuals is impermissible on the grounds that it is naturally imbalanced, then the same could be said of a marriage between two people who cannot have children.

Keep in mind there are thousands of cases where guru sahiban ji do kirpa on infertile couple. Many ppl that i know got bakshish from guru sahib after decades (even after docs gave up the hope).

If the economy is bad, you don't stop your children to attend school just because there's temporary halt of jobs or cap on certain fields.

Do you think there is hope that same sex couple will produce offspring? Thats a definite 100% imbalance.

Non-fertile couple - there is always a hope and greater possibility.

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Also, Why not ask panj piyaray on the same-sex marriage issue? I am sure that those who strongly believe that our dharam is pro gay relationships will get the swift answer and i am sure that they know what the answer will be and yet still so much defensive.

[Kira]

ji so true.. but that does not mean we stop em. If there are evils then on the other side we have saints too..

In certain cases we should. For example a growing populous can have a massive strain on land and food. As a result this can cause a deterioration of lifestyle in people and lead to starvation and massive social problems such as the spread of disease.

[garch]

No, not really.

If the inability to have offspring equals natural imbalance, an infertile couple are naturally imbalanced.

And if marriage between two homosexuals is impermissible on the grounds that it is naturally imbalanced, then the same could be said of a marriage between two people who cannot have children.

Just looking for some consistency in your arguments.

Are seriously still in favour of gay anand karaj?

Its surely no accident the all knowing, all seeing gurus didn't see it neccessary to publicly sanctify a homosexual union the same way as a hetro union during the 240 years they walked the earth?

yes it leaves a homosexuals relationship in a status quo and in some people's eyes illegitimised, but thats there fate. Other humans have natural dispositions that leave them with worse predicaments/challenges.. but again thats due to there karams.

Ive read many of ur past post's generally seen some logic behind ur comments; but im seriously taken aback by ur earlier statement.

Where are you coming from with this?