Biggest Answer To Muslims

[SheikhYoBooty]

Yes Preeet i don't blame u for being confused by the wrong English translation.

As Guru Sahib totally clarify that the pedophilia, slavery, racism, sexism, rapes, terrorism, beheadings of innocent non-Muslims as done by Prophet Muhammad and confirmed in the Holy Quran and Hadiths were all totally wrong and crimes against humanity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVWksqo-u-8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTeAB4l0KCM

[Pakandi baba]

If we presume for a moment that Guru Sahib knew things about Muhammad that had eluded historians and even the entirety of the Muslim world for over a millennium, this could only be the case if he was indeed omniscient.

However that then begs the question of why, in his tenth incarnation as Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib, Guru Ji did not know that Aurangzeb would betray him during the Siege of Anandpur and thereby set in motion the chain of events which would lead to the murder of his entire family. If he was God incarnate, possessed of the attendant godly quality of all-knowingess, he would have surely predicted this. If one insists that he is god and that he did predict this, then it would imply that he willingly sent the Chote Sahibzade, Mata Gujri, three of the original Panj Piaaray and numberless other Gursikhs to their gruesome deaths. It would have been rather pointless of him to have composed Zafarnamah afterwards if this were the case.

I myself cannot believe this explanation brother. One only has to read Zafarnamah to feel the grief of a loving father in our Dashmesh Pitaa's words, and the heated outrage of a man betrayed, taken completely by surprise and never having anticipated any of these horrors to fall upon his Sikhs and his family.

If we presume for a moment that Guru Sahib knew things about Muhammad that had eluded historians and even the entirety of the Muslim world for over a millennium, this could only be the case if he was indeed omniscient.

However that then begs the question of why, in his tenth incarnation as Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib, Guru Ji did not know that Aurangzeb would betray him during the Siege of Anandpur and thereby set in motion the chain of events which would lead to the murder of his entire family. If he was God incarnate, possessed of the attendant godly quality of all-knowingess, he would have surely predicted this. If one insists that he is god and that he did predict this, then it would imply that he willingly sent the Chote Sahibzade, Mata Gujri, three of the original Panj Piaaray and numberless other Gursikhs to their gruesome deaths. It would have been rather pointless of him to have composed Zafarnamah afterwards if this were the case.

I myself cannot believe this explanation brother. One only has to read Zafarnamah to feel the grief of a loving father in our Dashmesh Pitaa's words, and the heated outrage of a man betrayed, taken completely by surprise and never having anticipated any of these horrors to fall upon his Sikhs and his family.

You don't seem to fathom the 'Paana' Recall Dhan Guru Arjan Nirankar Ji? he sat on the hot plates, yet could have intervened at will but instead let it all take place, why? because it is the WILL of God! Accepting all the good and the bad.

[MisterrSingh]

If we presume for a moment that Guru Sahib knew things about Muhammad that had eluded historians and even the entirety of the Muslim world for over a millennium, this could only be the case if he was indeed omniscient.

However that then begs the question of why, in his tenth incarnation as Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib, Guru Ji did not know that Aurangzeb would betray him during the Siege of Anandpur and thereby set in motion the chain of events which would lead to the murder of his entire family. If he was God incarnate, possessed of the attendant godly quality of all-knowingess, he would have surely predicted this. If one insists that he is god and that he did predict this, then it would imply that he willingly sent the Chote Sahibzade, Mata Gujri, three of the original Panj Piaaray and numberless other Gursikhs to their gruesome deaths. It would have been rather pointless of him to have composed Zafarnamah afterwards if this were the case.

I myself cannot believe this explanation brother. One only has to read Zafarnamah to feel the grief of a loving father in our Dashmesh Pitaa's words, and the heated outrage of a man betrayed, taken completely by surprise and never having anticipated any of these horrors to fall upon his Sikhs and his family.

As cold as this may sound - and I understand this will sound very cold to some people - I've always thought that Guru Sahib played a role. As much as we would like to change the past or have foreknowledge about future events and be able to influence them so that our loved ones or those close to us are spared from pain or harm, maybe - just maybe - these things have to play out as they are destined to happen? That means even the sons, close relatives, and loved ones of our Gurus are not exempt from the natural order of things, and these moments and tragedies had to occur due to... karmic debts of those involved; divine duties that HAD to be undertaken for the benefit of so many?

The trouble I have is when modern personalities attempt to portay our Guru Sahib's as pendu-type individuals in order to make them palatable to the vast majority of Sikhs in existence today; to make them relatable in the mistaken belief that we must follow those ways in order to gain their approval. I believe our Gurus were way, way ahead of their time, and no matter the modern attempts by misguided spiritual leaders to portray them as the people of exclusively their own time and geographical location, I believe in demeanour, intelligence, morals, and manners they were "Gods" amongst insects. They were beyond time and space. They just happened to be in human form. That's my belief.

[Pakandi baba]

I suspect I'm going to attract a lot of hate for this, but I don't happen think any of the Guru Sahibaan were magically omniscient beings who knew everything about everything. Nor do I consider them to be avtars of God, as Krishan was of Vishnu.They were God in as much as they tore through the veil of I-ness that separates us from our creator and become one with him. Many other people have done the same. The Guru Sahibaan themselves repudiated the idea that they were physical manifestations of the almighty: Jae Hum Ko Parameshvar Uuchar Hai, Thae Sabh Narak Kund Mehi Paar Hai.

They were the best of men among us, but still men. They wouldn't have known about certain scientific phenomena, such as evolution by natural selection, or the structure of DNA (unless you wish to dispute this too) and, similarly, they may not have been aware of exactly just how much of a monster Muhammad was.

I think Islam is a better authority on itself than any other religion is on Islam. The Koran and the Hadiths of Muhammad are rife with barbarity.

It doesn't matter what you percieved the Guru Sahibs to be or not to be.

Aap Narayan Kala Dhar Jag Mei(n) Parvario Nirankar Aakar

The Lord God himself came upon this earth.

[SheikhYoBooty]

Angel Gabriel and Satan both just made a phone call to Prophet Muhammad and told him that ...

can all off topic replies be made on a new thread so that the topic can remain what are the biggest answers to Islam.

@ Preeet

the English translation is clearly wrong as Guru Sahib clarify that it CANNOT be the din of Muhammad ...

... by explicitly stating that let a true Muslim put aside the delusions of life and death whilst Prophet Muhammad lied about 72 virgins after death, was a pedophile, slaveowner, terrorist, rapist and racist murderer during his very evil life.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji defines who can be classed as a true Muslim.

Prophet Muhammad as a pedophile, terrorist, slaveowner, rapist + murderer fails on all criteria.

Aval a▫ul ḏīn kar miṯẖā maskal mānā māl musāvai.
First, let him savor the religion of the 1God (Truth) =Sikhi as sweet; then, let his pride of his possessions be scraped away.

ਹੋਇ ਮੁਸਲਿਮੁ ਦੀਨ ਮੁਹਾਣੈ ਮਰਣ ਜੀਵਣ ਕਾ ਭਰਮੁ ਚੁਕਾਵੈ ॥
होइ मुसलिमु दीन मुहाणै मरण जीवण का भरमु चुकावै ॥

Ho▫e muslim ḏīn muhāṇai maraṇ jīvaṇ kā bẖaram cẖukẖāvai.
Becoming a true Muslim =Gurmukh (not a disciple of the faith of Mohammed) let him put aside the delusion of death and life.

The definition of a true Muslim is a Gurmukh not some Arab genocidal maniac who was a pedophile that sold innocent children into slavery, raped innocent women + beheaded innocent non-Muslims.

How do you Preeet and Paki'ndi Babar justify respecting Prophet Muhammad when he openly did the following evil things against innocent human beings that are fully recorded in both Quran+Hadiths?

An ex-Muslim called Ali Sina of www.faithfreedom.org will also pay

$5,000,000 U.S. dollars

to anyone who can disprove any of the dozen of the accusations that he has made against Muhammad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTeAB4l0KCM

Facts prove that the pedophile slaveowner and terrorist called Prophet Muhammad was:

a narcissist

a misogynist

a rapist

a pedophile

a lecher

a torturer

a mass murderer

a cult leader

an assassin

a terrorist

a looter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVWksqo-u-8

MUHAMMAD'S SPIRITUAL PROBLEMS

• When Muhammad began receiving revelations, his first impression of these revelations was that they were demonic.
• Muhammad was so traumatized by his encounter with "Gabriel" that he repeatedly tried to commit suicide by hurling himself off a cliff.
• According to Muslim sources, Muhammad once delivered a revelation from the devil (the "Satanic Verses").
• Muhammad claimed that he was a victim of a magic spell that gave him delusional thoughts and false beliefs.

MUHAMMAD'S PROBLEMS WITH PAGANISM AND IDOLATRY

• Islam promotes idolatry (e.g., bowing down to the Kaaba and kissing the black stone).
• Islam deifies Muhammad by requiring unconditional obedience to him and by requiring Muslims to talk to him during their daily prayers.

MUHAMMAD'S PROBLEMS WITH VIOLENCE

• Muhammad ordered his followers to torture a man named Kinana to find out where some money was hidden. Muhammad then had Kinana killed, and took his wife for himself.
• Muhammad commanded his followers to kill critics of Islam.
• Muhammad ordered his followers to kill apostates, even if they had good reasons for leaving Islam.

MUHAMMAD'S SCIENTIFIC PROBLEMS

• The Qur'an claims that stars are missiles that Allah uses to shoot demons.
• Muhammad's teachings about personal hygiene would lead to death if Muslims took them seriously.
• Muhammad claimed that Gabriel explained to him why children look like one parent or the other. Gabriel's answer is completely false.

MUHAMMAD'S EVIDENTIAL PROBLEMS

• When Muhammad was too shy to tell his dinner guests to leave, Allah stepped in with a special revelation that should make everyone wonder whether Muhammad's revelations really have anything to do with God.
• The Qur'an declares that Christians find Muhammad mentioned in our scriptures. Yet our scriptures call Muhammad an antichrist.
• In the Qur'an, Allah promises to kill Muhammad by severing his aorta if Muhammad invents a false revelation. When Muhammad died, he said he could feel his aorta being severed.
• The Qur'an presents a test for divine inspiration, but fails the test.
• Muslims believe that the Qur'an is Allah's eternal Word. Yet Allah repeatedly changes his eternal mind about his eternal Word via abrogation.
• The Qur'an is missing at least two verses in which Allah commands grown women to breastfeed grown men in order to prevent sexual misconduct.

MUHAMMAD'S PROBLEMS WITH WOMEN

• Muhammad allowed his followers to hire prostitutes.
• The Qur'an allows Muslim men to have up to four wives at a time. But Muhammad received a special revelation giving him (and him alone) the right to break the four-wife limit.
• Muhammad had sex with a prepubescent nine-year-old girl named Aisha.
• The Qur'an allows Muslim men to beat their wives into submission.
• Islam allows Muslim men to rape their female captives and slave-girls.
• Muhammad married the divorced wife of his own adopted son (after Muhammad caused the divorce), and the Qur'an offers an absurd defense of Muhammad's actions.
• When Muhammad's wife Sauda became fat and unattractive, Muhammad intended to divorce her. Sauda had to relinquish some of her marital rights to avoid being abandoned.
• After Muhammad got caught having sex with his slave girl in the bed of one of his wives, he swore that he would stop having sex with his slave-girl. Allah ordered him to break that oath.
• Muhammad claimed that women are less intelligent and less moral than men.

MUHAMMAD'S THEOLOGICAL PROBLEMS

• According to the Qur'an, Allah is the "best of deceivers."
• According to Muhammad, Allah wants people to sin, and he threatens us with annihilation if we refuse to sin.
• Since Allah would destroy us for not sinning, the true savior of humanity, according to Islam, is Satan, who tempts human beings to sin and therefore protects us from being destroyed.
• Muhammad didn't know whether he would go to heaven or hell when he died.
• Islam teaches that Allah will punish Jews and Christians in hell for the sins of Muslims.

[Balkaar]

It doesn't matter what you percieved the Guru Sahibs to be or not to be.

Aap Narayan Kala Dhar Jag Mei(n) Parvario Nirankar Aakar

The Lord God himself came upon this earth.

Jae Hum Ko Parameshvar Uuchar Hai, Thae Sabh Narak Kund Mehi Paar Hai. Mo ko dass thavan ka jaano, ya mai baed na ranch pashano

He who calls me God will burn in the fires of hell, I am only the servant of God, do not doubt this.

This is from the rasna of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Sahib in Bachittar Natak, where the subject is himself.

As cold as this may sound - and I understand this will sound very cold to some people - I've always thought that Guru Sahib played a role. As much as we would like to change the past or have foreknowledge about future events and be able to influence them so that our loved ones or those close to us are spared from pain or harm, maybe - just maybe - these things have to play out as they are destined to happen? That means even the sons, close relatives, and loved ones of our Gurus are not exempt from the natural order of things, and these moments and tragedies had to occur due to... karmic debts of those involved; divine duties that HAD to be undertaken for the benefit of so many?

You don't seem to fathom the 'Paana' Recall Dhan Guru Arjan Nirankar Ji? he sat on the hot plates, yet could have intervened at will but instead let it all take place, why? because it is the WILL of God! Accepting all the good and the bad.

I understand that for these Sikhs to die may have been the will of God, but then why did Guru Sahib write the Zafarnamah and chastise Aurangzeb as if it was his fault? Why blame him at all for simply enacting the will of the divine?

Guru Sahib himself admits in Zafarnamah that he made a mistake:

Hadn’t I taken thee to thy word upon the Koran,

I wouldn’t have chosen the path I did. (23)

I knew not that thy men were crafty and deceitful like a fox.

Else I wouldn’t have driven myself to this state. (24)

[MisterrSingh]

Guru Sahib himself admits in Zafarnamah that he made a mistake:

Hadn’t I taken thee to thy word upon the Koran,I wouldn’t have chosen the path I did. (23)

I knew not that thy men were crafty and deceitful like a fox.

Else I wouldn’t have driven myself to this state. (24)

That's a question for the scholars and the learned, my friend.

[StarStriker]

mehaadheen thab prabh ouparaajaa || arab dhaes ko keeno raajaa || 26||

Then the Lord created Mahadin (Prophet Mohammed), And made him the Emperor of the Arabian Peninsula. (26)

thin bhee eaek pa(n)thh ouparaajaa || li(n)g binaa keenae sabh raajaa ||

He, too, created a path (Islam-religion), And made all the kings remove the foreskin of their phalluses (for circumcision).

sabh thae apanaa naam japaayo || sath naam kaahoo(n) n dhrirraayo ||27||

He induced all and sundry to recite his name, And did not instil the True, Eternal Name of the Lord in any one.(27)

sabh apanee apanee ourajhaanaa || paarabreham kaahoo n pashhaanaa ||

All (the religious Preceptors) got entangled in their own dogmas. No one comprehended the Transcendent One.

thap saadhhath har mohi bulaayo || eim kehi kai eih lok pat(h)aayo || 28||

I was absorbed in His austere meditation when the Lord called me. Having uttered the following words, He sent me to this world.(28)

[proactive]

B

ut what about the second line..? Where it says specifically:

ਹੋਇ ਮੁਸਲਿਮੁ ਦੀਨ ਮੁਹਾਣੈ ਮਰਣ ਜੀਵਣ ਕਾ ਭਰਮੁ ਚੁਕਾਵੈ ॥

होइ मुसलिमु दीन मुहाणै मरण जीवण का भरमु चुकावै ॥

Ho▫e muslim ḏīn muhāṇai maraṇ jīvaṇ kā bẖaram cẖukẖāvai.

Becoming a true Muslim, a disciple of the faith of Mohammed, let him put aside the delusion of death and life.

The word ਮੁਹਾਣੈ just means leader, so it means if you want to become a true Muslim of your leader then set aside your delusion of life and death.

The rest of the Shabad is interesting as it makes it incumbent on a Muslim to be merciful to all beings.

ਤਉ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਰਬ ਜੀਆ ਮਿਹਰੰਮਤਿ ਹੋਇ ਤ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਣੁ ਕਹਾਵੈ

And when, O Nanak, he is merciful to all beings, only then shall he be called a Muslim.

It is impossible for a Muslim to follow the Quran AND be merciful to all beings.

5:51 Don’t take Jews and Christians as friends and allies

“O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Whoso of you makes them his friends is one of them. Allah guides not the people of the evildoers.”

[S4NGH]

Best get some more modern and up to date pictures in your temples then.

Best get some more modern and up to date idols of that white fella hanging off a cross in your temples too mate. Was he even white???!!!