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A while ago I was criticizing the notion that the elderly ought be thought of as wise because of their decrepitude. I've been considering the other age demographics and I think the notions surrounding children are just as rife with misrepresentations and fantasies as those hovering around their grandparents. I'll admit to some apprehension here, knowing that a lot of people here are probably parents, and how defensive parents can be where their offspring are concerned.

I've noticed that a lot of parents are totally delusional about the extent of their childrens' intelligence or ability. A lot of simpering mothers have boasted to me about the fact that their sprog is capable of buttoning his own overalls at the age of 12 months, and that this is clearly the rudiment of some embryonic genius which will probably manifest itself in later years as a cure for cancer. I can't be the only one who is totally unimpressed and unmoved by this, can I? If a child was writing symphonies aged five like Beethoven was then I'd be the first to concede their potential, but something as innocuous as tying one's shoelaces, irrespective of age, is never impressive and shouldn't elicit such praise. Children also receive ovation for the potency of their imaginations, which has always been confusing. When George R.R Martin or Hillary Mantel are weaving together intricate and original universes full of complex political intrigue and subtly rendered characters, I don't see why a slobbering juvenile receives such adulation for drawing a lion in rollerskates, as though such a concept would be inconceivable to anyone else.

There’s also the idea that children are pure and innocent, little angels and little darlings as yet unschooled in the ruthlessness of the world. It's strange to think that people who were once children themselves can entertain such saccharine naivety. The primary school playground operates under a system of politics similar to the one prevalent in high-school corridors, albeit more simplified. One might even call it more animalstic/unevolved. All the features of the latter find an expression in the former, the exclusive cliques, the ostracized outcasts sitting alone in some well-shadowed spot, violence, bullying, et cetera. Children simply are not more attuned to morality. Our ideas of right and wrong are accretions from the societies we inhabit, from the figures whom we consider to be authorities. A child will never stop stealing biscuits if nobody tells them that it is wrong. Children seem to me to be far more susceptible to wrongdoing because societal ethics haven't really had enough time to make an impression upon them.

I'd be interested to hear the sangat's thoughts on the subject.

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I do not have the honor of being part of the elderly demographic despite the forum ID. Before I address children, I do support deference of respect toward elderly. I believe they have an advantage of

Lol ill? Do you think he was possessed? That's called being a kid. I'd be more worried about what kind of gyan your parents taught you.

From one of my favourite books as a child, Matilda:

It's a funny thing about mothers and fathers. Even when their own child is the most disgusting little blister you could ever imagine, they still think that he or she is wonderful. Some parents go further. They become so blinded by adoration they manage to convince themselves their child has qualities of genius.

Well, there is nothing very wrong with all this. It's the way of the world. It is only when the parents begin telling us about the brilliance of their own revolting offspring, that we start shouting, "Bring us a basin! We're going to be sick!"

School teachers suffer a good deal from having to listen to this sort of twaddle from proud parents, but they usually get their own back when the time comes to write the end-of-term reports. If I were a teacher I would cook up some real scorchers for the children of doting parents. "Your son Maximilian", I would write, "is a total wash-out. I hope you have a family business you can push him into when he leaves school because he sure as heck won't get a job anywhere else." Or if I were feeling lyrical that day, I might write, "It is a curious truth that grasshoppers have their hearing organs in the sides of the abdomen. Your daughter Vanessa, judging by what she's learnt this term, has no hearing-organs at all." I might even delve deeper into natural history and say, "The periodical cicada spends six years as a grub underground, and no more than six days as a free creature of sunlight and air. Your son Wilfred has spent six years as a grub in this school and we are still waiting for him to emerge from the chrysalis." A particularly poisonous little girl might sting me into saying, "Fiona has the same glacial beauty as an iceberg, but unlike the iceberg she has absolutely nothing below the surface."

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I suppose it's a manifestation of moh and ankhaar, two vices that are especially relevant when it comes to how we view loved ones and the blinkers that descend when we refuse to see anything remotely negative about that person.

I went to school with a few children whose parents were constantly massaging their egos and their accomplishments, always cosying up to the teaching staff, etc. Funny thing was here I am, this rotund (at the time, lol) little Sikh kid who'd routinely outperform them in classes with no encouragement and involvement from my own parents (great parents but no idea about modern education). That really infuriated and mystified a few of them!

I find it's a symptom of pushy-parent syndrome once the preserve of white parents, but I've been noticing our upwardly mobile lot aren't too far behind in their fawning and aggrandisement of their own children. The lack of self awareness is staggering. But I'm also a bit of a curmudgeon so that explains my low threshold for tolerating such palaver.

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From one of my favourite books as a child, Matilda:

I didn't think I could forgive Roald Dahl after he attacked beards with such brutality in The Twits, but that extract has caused him to soar in my estimation. I welcome him once more into my heart as a kindred spirit. Thank you for sharing Jio

I find it's a symptom of pushy-parent syndrome once the preserve of white parents, but I've been noticing our upwardly mobile lot aren't too far behind in their fawning and aggrandisement of their own children. The lack of self awareness is staggering. But I'm also a bit of a curmudgeon so that explains my low threshold for tolerating such palaver.

What I find particularly astonishing is that it somehow manages to be symptomatic of both the culture of pushy parents/incitement to achievement that you describe, and its exact opposite, namely, the culture of 'every child is a winner/ deserves a trophy just for competing'. It seems there is no escaping this silly notion.

I also feel like I've fallen victim to very premature curmudgeonhood. I'm actually glad though, there's way too much sickly sweetness fluttering and tinkling about in the world these days and I like to think I'm on the other side of the scale helping to maintain the proper balance of things. What's more, I'm in excellent company.

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I also feel like I've fallen victim to very premature curmudgeonhood. I'm actually glad though, there's way too much sickly sweetness fluttering and tinkling about in the world these days and I like to think I'm on the other side of the scale helping to maintain the proper balance of things. What's more, I'm in excellent company.

A bit of a turbulent existence will do that to a person, hehe. A tolerance of silly, meaningless things that seem so incredibly important to most people will seem inconsequential to someone who has experienced the darker side of human nature and life.

But it's too easy to succumb to being in a constant state of perpetual cynicism. Before you know you'll end up like Scrooge. Gotta keep it fresh and funny. Gurbani helps me in that respect to gain perspective.

But most days my internal dialogue is shockingly harsh, lol.

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Well to be honest singing religious songs is a great boost to me, that and physical exercise but I do drink too much.

That's why I like Sikhi, because you sing about the Vaheguru, and it has to be in Punjabi otherwise it doesn't sound right.

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It's a very straight thing, Parental love.

I personally believe children in general are far more aware than their parents do give them credit for. But most parents who are were born and brought up in a traditional, conservative punjabi household probably followed everything their parents did without question or even thought. that didn't make them ignorant or even unintelligent. But in our time (especially in the west) with the use of the internet and mixing with our cultures, Children are alot more aware of things. They ask questions, talk to their parents about current affairs. some parents are alarmed about this but some see it as promising.

On a personal note I have a younger sibling. I had a rather exemplary (im sorry for bragging) background, I was academically excelling, I could read adult books from a young age and even when it came to religious I would devour books about Sakhis, history or even general gian. I could hold a decent conversation with mosst adults about religion and even other things. I'm a bi-product of this day and age where Knowledge is easily accessible. But back to my sibling, She is far more intelligent than I. I never had access to the internet at her age, nor did I have access to an older sibling who's been there and can help (point point). As a result of all these openings she's flourished a-lot, at a young age she's already danced circles around adults, we come from a pretty conservative family. They have this notion of a girls being more household wives than anything else. She was around 7-8 when she questioned and defeated our sexist relatives and really left them speechless.

Back to my actual point. Children are growing more and more intelligent day by day. But Knowledge is like a drug, too much of it at once will completely destroy you. It can even push you over the edge. Parents (educated or not) are still a key role in helping them make sense of it all.

But that role should not be a role where they control their child. I believe putting a child on the right path and then letting him go from there while observing and guiding passively is more effective than actually forcing them onto it, holding their hand and pulling them along.

Just my thoughts

Says who? By whom is this believed, you?

Speaking as somebody who used to be one, I have it on good authority that the mind of the child is not pure, but awash with mischief and low-cunning. I once convinced my entire school that the place was haunted by the ghost of the former caretaker. Things got so bad and the other children so scared that the staff had to organize an assembly where they categorically stated that there were in fact no wraiths haunting the school. I loved every moment of the deception.

My friends believed I once developed superpowers lol. I used that to gain some pretty nice privileges.

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Back to my actual point. Children are growing more and more intelligent day by day. But Knowledge is like a drug, too much of it at once will completely destroy you. It can even push you over the edge. Parents (educated or not) are still a key role in helping them make sense of it all.

But that role should not be a role where they control their child. I believe putting a child on the right path and then letting him go from there while observing and guiding passively is more effective than actually forcing them onto it, holding their hand and pulling them along.

Just my thoughts

Good points, children can definitely become very intelligent if they wish to be because information is so accessible. But it seems that most of them are simply content to exist as miniature lobotomites and p155 away their formative years playing xbox.

My friends believed I once developed superpowers lol. I used that to gain some pretty nice privileges.

Lol, what was the nature of your superpower?

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Good points, children can definitely become very intelligent if they wish to be because information is so accessible. But it seems that most of them are simply content to exist as miniature lobotomites and p155 away their formative years playing xbox.

I suppose their a bi-product of a technical age. For myself I was born in a time when there was that transition period into it, as a result I got the best of both worlds. I spent my summers outsides playing with friends. Sadly now the only playing I do is on games. I can see why many governments are now stressing an emphasis on P.E but that's all going to be for nothing if no one has any interest in it. Why would you go outside, get sweaty, tired and dirty when you can stay inside, open a window and play games. All the fun at half the effort.

The more intelligent children will be very active as they'll see the benefit in it. But getting a balance is notoriously hard considering we can't survive 2 or 3 days without technology. My younger sibling was worried when we went to India about the lack of Internet, but she ended up enjoying it there simply by playing outside with other kids.

Lol, what was the nature of your superpower?

A whole host lol. I miraculously predicted the weather and what video our teacher would be playing, I was able to "curse" induviduals with bad luck if I desired, really it was just me using their naivety against them. When it came to bad luck they would become so paranoid and worried every little mistake would seem like a result of it. . They weren't so much superpowers, it was honestly just foresight and psychological manipulation (gosh I sound like a right sociopath), just my curious nature drawing me to strange things. I also loved reading books about science, one of them was about science and magic. I convinced my friends I could move a magnet with my mind but really i was just pulling it along under the table and no one noticed. haha

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Rule of thumb in my opinion about life is :

Nothing has any meaning you give it meaning. Need is an illusion you are complete in yourself but not aware of it, We don't need anything outside of ourself to be complete. Its just an ego trip.

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Maybe you were ill? What kind of a child would do something like that, but it wouldn't be a surprise if the parents gave no gyan to the child. I'm talking based on what I have been told.

LOL

A child who isn't quite as stupid or gullible as all the other mites milling about him, I should think.

I suppose their a bi-product of a technical age. For myself I was born in a time when there was that transition period into it, as a result I got the best of both worlds. I spent my summers outsides playing with friends. Sadly now the only playing I do is on games. I can see why many governments are now stressing an emphasis on P.E but that's all going to be for nothing if no one has any interest in it. Why would you go outside, get sweaty, tired and dirty when you can stay inside, open a window and play games. All the fun at half the effort.

A whole host lol. I miraculously predicted the weather and what video our teacher would be playing, I was able to "curse" induviduals with bad luck if I desired, really it was just me using their naivety against them. When it came to bad luck they would become so paranoid and worried every little mistake would seem like a result of it. . They weren't so much superpowers, it was honestly just foresight and psychological manipulation (gosh I sound like a right sociopath), just my curious nature drawing me to strange things. I also loved reading books about science, one of them was about science and magic. I convinced my friends I could move a magnet with my mind but really i was just pulling it along under the table and no one noticed. haha

Don't get me wrong, I sympathize with their dependence on gaming. I'm kind of consumed myself by The Witcher 3.

Nice powers by the way Kira :)

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