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Many of you would have seen these videos before but I saw them for the first time a few days ago and I don't mind telling you that they have played on mind ever since, leaving me feeling unbelievably sad.

On many previous occassions when people here have started threads about the drugs situation I have been very critical of the fact that Punjab counts things such as a 'beer' and 'cough syrup' as drugs. I stand by that criticism because what we can clearly see from the videos below is that the masses there do not see any difference between a beer and heroin, a glass of wine and Ice, a cough syrup and cocaine. The official Punjab anti-drugs campaign doesn't help either. They're slogan is 'Stop doing Drugs.....They are Injurious to Health'. Injurious to health ? :omg: My word that is the understatement of the century. These drugs that are now spreading through the people of Punjab like wildfire ane not just injurious to health they are destroyers of lives and whole societies. Now think about it, the only people we here in the west see smoking heroin are those decrepit junkies who are at the very bottom of society, usually dirty homeless bums.

I listed to katha from a baba, I forget his name, last year at Park Avenue Gurdwara, and he was telling the sangat how now in Punjab the boys and girls had also become addicted to the next thing sweeping across Punjab. He said it is called 'chita' in Punjab. I didn't think any more of it but one of the videos below clarifies that it is in fact cocaine and it, along with crack cocaine, is now widely available and mainstream in Punjab.

We here in western Europe with our high population in tightly packed urban areas have largely been spared the scourge of methamphetamine (ice), but our friends in America, Canada and Australia (with their large open spaces needed to cook the drug) will tell you of the sheer devastation, both physical and social, it has brought. I have been told by many people that Punjabis from America and Canada have been using their rural family farmhouses in Punjab to both cook and distribute ice across Punjab and now it too is spreading like wildfire out there.

I dispair. I truly do. When our girls and our dastar wearing long bearded babas are like this...what hope for our boys ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzkzR1_8Jtw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YShZpCZOPxw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOzAA0KESBA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viaT5iqN7nE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_X11WZ_YQw

We (in the west) are not and never will be in as bad a situation as Punjab but we should also not forget that things are not that rosy here too, especially our den of inequity: Southall.

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In a lot ways this thread, and the reaction to it, can sum up why we've reached the terrible stage we have reached.

It is clear that, in our community, chasing the dragon is seen as no more worse than taking a puff on a cigarette or cutting your hair. All three are seen as 'bad' on an equal level so the one that is quite rightly seen as the worst of the worst throughout the whole of earth doesn't have the same stigma among Punjabis. So much so, that you can even imagine the video of the girls shooting lines of cocaine up their noses not getting into too much trouble with their mums and dads because at least they wern't smoking a cigarette.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxBSc8Nd19Q

Now compare the Indian Jatti's above with the Pakistani Jatti below.

And this is why a lot of Sikh guys prefer Muslim girls nowadays.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9yNyFWHdeU

Where did you get this non sense from? sunshine.

LOL were you on something when you wrote that "And this is why a lot of Sikh guys prefer Muslim girls nowadays."

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Never knew things were this bad. I appreciated youth from poorer families were drawn to drugs for various reasons, but girls and those from affluent households too? I'm genuinely disturbed.

Would I be incredibly short-sighted to say that an element of personal responsibility comes into play too? Please, anyone correct me if I'm wrong. I mean, outside the home I grew up in a very rough area where there was drugs, gang violence, basically standard English inner-city living.

Throughout secondary school there was constant pressure to spark up, start drinking, do cannabis, and even try some of the harder stuff. But I resisted. It may have meant I wasn't friends with many people, but I also received a kind of begrudging respect for not faltering from my principles. As such, nobody came to me and rammed ganja down my throat or jabbed a needle in my arm. It was ultimately my choice.

Like I said, am I wrong in saying the individual always has a choice to not do - or do - these activities? Or when it comes to Punjab is the issue a lot more complex?

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LOL were you on something when you wrote that "And this is why a lot of Sikh guys prefer Muslim girls nowadays."

Veer Ji i didn't mean the majority but "a lot" meant a significant percentage of Sikh guys are now married with Iranian girls, Ismaili women, Turkish women etc just like how a lot of Sikh guys always married Hindu girls right from the start.

Maybe not in New Zealand or the UK but in BC + the GTA u would be surprised at just how many.

But it's all good as all these women are new Sikhs and attend the Gurdwara and everything.

But on topic it's sad that these Pakistani drug smugglers are getting so rich off flooding our community with drugs.

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But on topic it's sad that these Pakistani drug smugglers are getting so rich off flooding our community with drugs

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See this is one of the reasons that the problem has got 10000% worse in the last 5 years without us even realising what is happening.

We, all of us, despite our claims of being sophisticated educated western born urbanites, have been and still are asleep.

For example, we still get many posts here on this forum where posters criticise bhangra songs about 'sharaab'. What none of us realised is that there is currently an exlosion of bhangra records coming out of Punjab with songs about 'chita de line'. These bhangra songs are being played everywhere. What none of us realised is that the words refer to doing lines of coke. You go to any wedding , party or even family gathering in Punjab and there is song after song about 'chita'. Cocaine, crack cocaine and Meths have spread across Punjab like wildfire over the course of the last year. And yet here we are still thinking the problem is purely with heroin from Pakistan. Here the Punjab drug agencies are still equating heroin, cocaine and meths with cough syrup and beer.

So I say to all of you, ignore the official Punjab drug figures because they are irrelevent and out of date. Irrellevent because none of us should care less if a man drinks a beer now and then or takes more cough syrup than he needs to and it is things like these that are included in Punjab's drug consumption figures. Both of those are silly things to do but in the real world they are tiny unimportant things. We need to educate Punjab about the real killers. Killers of not only their children but also of their society as they know it: Heroin, Cocaine and Meths. Our community needs to place a much much bigger stigma on these killers than it currently does. Right now, our community places doing heroin and cocaine with drinking a glass of wine. When a society does that it should not surprised by the result.

The problem now goes way beyond the heroin that comes in from Pakistan. The cocaine comes in from African and Isreali dealers from the rest of India and the Meths is cooked up by our own Punjabi families in their rural farmhouses before being distributed to the rest of Punjab.

All of this happened while our eyes were closed. We failed, that is true. But we should at least wake up now that we know. But if history teaches us just one thing it is the fact that history doesn't teach Punjabis a single thing. Now that we know we still won't wake up. We'll still be stuck in a 1990's time warp and criticise bhangra songs about sharab and pretend not to notice the plethora of songs about chita. The older generation still won't notice or understand that their children are doing bhangra to songs glorifying doing lines of coke and we'll all still keep saying Pakistanis and their heroin are the one and only problem. We will never learn.

Never knew things were this bad. I appreciated youth from poorer families were drawn to drugs for various reasons, but girls and those from affluent households too? I'm genuinely disturbed

I feel exactly the same way mistersingh. Emotionaly, these videos have had a profoundly sad effect on me. As I stated in the opening post, when our girls and baba are like this what hope is there for our boys ?

And on a different level, the last 2 videos (from the UK) are equally sad and do, in some way, articulate what many here have said, the fact that our parcharaks are telling all and dundry to keep their dastars and shak amrit without bothering with moral duties. The result is that we have now, in the west, gone down the same route the Muslims went and favoured quantity over quality. That is why these dastar wearing amritdharis feel no shame in smoking cigarettes.

There is very little at the moment to feel optimistic about. Its all looking rather dire.

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You may not be aware of the considerable number of post marital deaths on wedding nights caused by a combination of sustained drug use followed by viagara

Oh I am aware of it DTF and this is partly the main point I'm trying to make, i.e the fact that we've taken our eye off the ball by continously being focussed on the heroin from Pakistan and the beer in the liquor shops. The problem, whilst we've asleep looking at the wrong things, has escalated to an unbelievable level. Now, taking your example, I have heard talk from people in Punjab about how the physically and socially devastating drug methamphetamine (ice) is the drug of choice for married couples to smoke together in a pipe in Punjab. Imagine what kind of a Punjab it is today where newly married couples lock themselves in their bedroom in order to smoke ice together and have a few days of non-stop sex......and their families are none the wiser as they just think its quaint and cute that the young couple love each other. That kind of Punjab....the kind of Punjab that exists today...is well and truly f****d ! You know all those 'sexologists' you see all over Punjab ? They even recommend methamphetamine as a cure for couples and their sex problems.

Now, as I said in my previous post, the methamphetamine (which is the most physicaly and socialy destructive drug ever) comes from homegrown Punjabi farms usually operated by ex-pat Punjabi americans and canadians and the root of the cocaine epidemic are the African and Isreali dealers in India. As I stated before, one of the reasons we let this happen is because we've stupidly been too fixated with the heroin coming from the Pakistanis which left us blind to to what was coming in and being done by others.

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I use to think it was the searing heat and possibly the raw agricultural lifestyle that meant even relatively young Punjabi guys in their late 20's and early 30's seemed to look at least 10 or so years older than their actual age. Male relatives from older generations from back home worked harder than their modern counterparts, and they look about right for their ages on the whole. The younger generation have somehow prematurely aged whilst simultaneously shunning the physical agricultural work of previous generations. Now I'm beginning to think there's something sinister at play.

Some of these people may not be full-blown addicts, but there's got to be recreational use, like Jagsaw says, akin to smoking a cigarette or taking a few pegs of whiskey. What astounds me is that meth is not like popping a pill or taking a quick drag on a spliff; it is unbelievably destructive, and that's putting it mildly. Now, to see our sisters caught up in these shenanigans is just too much. What the heck is going on?

I don't know whether these people need a serious talking to or a helping hand. I just think they need help, full-stop.

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