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Here in the UK, there have been cases where British born non practicing Sikhs have taken the shahada and become practicing Muslims i.e. turned from their parent's religion Sikhi, to Islam.

I've noted that in this cases, Gursikhs and Amritdharis find out about the person or are approached by the person's family and turn up to the newly converted person's house to make them see sense / see the light.

But this response is reactive rather than pro-active. Person's converted now, heart, mind and soul, bit late for the Singhs to be turning up to the person's house to start their parchaar and try to convince them to turn back to Sikhi (when they were never in it in the first place)

Shouldn't we be reaching these potentially vulnerable and impressionable people before they even take their first step away from Sikhi so to speak, rather than having no involvement in their lives, until they convert, at which point it's time to turn up lol?

Might I suggest GurSikhs step out of their comfort zones and exclusive 'amritdhari-only' social circles, get their hands dirty and reach these people before their targeted, influenced by outside sources, and future generations are lost.

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Agreed, there is a very worrying propensity amongst Amritdharis towards the formation of homogenous cliques. These individuals ought to quit being so very sanctimonious

The word 'Panth' is becoming hollower. There is no sense of overarching brotherhood as there is in the Muslim 'Ummah'. Have to hand it to those Mohammedans, they know how to make a fellow feel welcome. Perhaps if we did too, we wouldn't be losing so many lonely and isolated kids.

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Have to hand it to those Mohammedans, they know how to make a fellow feel welcome. Perhaps if we did too, we wouldn't be losing so many lonely and isolated kids.

U kiddin me? R u aware of the percentage of muslims who leave islam after the first 4-5yrs, n all complain of how afta becomin muslims, theres no support networks for them. I remember watchin a video of that prat 'abdur raheem green', talkin of this dilemma within new converts who end up leavin. Funny how theyre quick to give stats of number of converts, but not of the number leaving?!

Regardin sikhs convertin to islam in uk, this WAS a big problem, due to atheistic panjabi upbringin n these sullehh targetting them. Now in 2015, a lot has changed in my opinion, thanks to basics of sikhi, sikh2inspire etc.

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U kiddin me? R u aware of the percentage of muslims who leave islam after the first 4-5yrs, n all complain of how afta becomin muslims, theres no support networks for them. I remember watchin a video of that prat 'abdur raheem green', talkin of this dilemma within new converts who end up leavin. Funny how theyre quick to give stats of number of converts, but not of the number leaving?!

Regardin sikhs convertin to islam in uk, this WAS a big problem, due to atheistic panjabi upbringin n these sullehh targetting them. Now in 2015, a lot has changed in my opinion, thanks to basics of sikhi, sikh2inspire etc.

I can see your point. Once you're hooked and they've gotten you to declare your faith in Muhammad, their job as they see it is naturally done.

I didn't mean to suggest that we Sikhs should attempt to emulate this underhand behaviour.

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Here in the UK, there have been cases where British born non practicing Sikhs have taken the shahada and become practicing Muslims i.e. turned from their parent's religion Sikhi, to Islam.

I've noted that in this cases, Gursikhs and Amritdharis find out about the person or are approached by the person's family and turn up to the newly converted person's house to make them see sense / see the light.

But this response is reactive rather than pro-active. Person's converted now, heart, mind and soul, bit late for the Singhs to be turning up to the person's house to start their parchaar and try to convince them to turn back to Sikhi (when they were never in it in the first place)

Shouldn't we be reaching these potentially vulnerable and impressionable people before they even take their first step away from Sikhi so to speak, rather than having no involvement in their lives, until they convert, at which point it's time to turn up lol?

Might I suggest GurSikhs step out of their comfort zones and exclusive 'amritdhari-only' social circles, get their hands dirty and reach these people before their targeted, influenced by outside sources, and future generations are lost.

I may have been living under a rock or something but I've only ever met 2 people that converted from Sikhism to Islam (both girls, usual story, fell in love etc) so maybe come to the table with some facts and figures, maybe some links showing that this is actively happening, every time i take a walk in the City centre the local Islam conversion club tend not to want to hand me a leaflet or have a life changing discussion with me, maybe because i'm confident in my own religion and beliefs, anyway, i'm going back under my rock.

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Starstriker you are absolutely correct in what you say and will have to excuse some comments here which are more about pointing fingers at amritdharis rather than helping to find a solution to a problem, which is a major cause for the dividing us even further today .

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People who were never truly Sikh aren't really worth-it to waste your life over. (Did the take Amrit?) If they were Gurmukhs then it's a different story, did they even Jaap Naam, or do basic Paht everyday? This would be different if devout Sikhs became non-Sikhs.

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Completely disagree, I've said it before on these forums but there seems to be a distinct "I'm better than you because I've taken Amrit" attitude going around at the moment, it's a very arrogant and egotistical stance to take, comments like these are what pushes those who want to learn more away from Sikhism, if your going to have some exclusive club where only those who are Gurmukhs are invited then you've completely, totally and utterly failed at being a Sikh, simple as, Sikhism is for everyone not just for some self-important people who think they are better than others.

Rehat bina nehi sikh kahave Rehat, bina dhar chota khave||

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Rehat bina nehi sikh kahave Rehat, bina dhar chota khave||

This is my last post on this topic.

Excellent, print spiritual quotes and assume that solves all the problems in the world, good work, keep it up.

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The word sikh means learner and you have to help those born in sikh/Punjabi families learn about their religion, they are the ones who should be targeted with parchaar - not the people who are already Sikhs!!.

In my opinion we need to be more welcoming towards people and help the panjabi drinking crowd learn about Sikhi too. The Sikh family and brotherhood is for everyone and people should not feel excluded. If punjabis feel excluded then they are not going to learn the gurus message.

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Excellent, print spiritual quotes and assume that solves all the problems in the world, good work, keep it up.

If your going to waste time on lost causes you can, but you should realize that if they weren't even trying to live a Gurmukhs life from the time they heard about Guru Sahib they most likely won't change. I never said only Amridharis deserve another chance, but the people you have wishful thinking for don't even believe Amrit is important for them. Nobody has good time to waste and expect anything from the people you are talking about except Guru Sahib himself.

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Sometimes people won't listen, let them do what they want, if they want to leave Sikhism so be it, concentrate on your connection with God.

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To be fair the Bhaji here has a good point, so many muslims I know parade new converts around like trophies. Meanwhile back in our Sangat we're dissolving into bickering or reverting back into the chains of superstitions and rituals. Muslims are pretty tight knitted, and some of us are discouraging people from socializing with one another because of some stupid feud. Muslims are pretty uptight about their identity, most of them know atleast the basics. Meanwhile some sangat members are struggling to name our 10 human Gurus and are now attending hindu mandhirs to do "Pooja" lol.

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