Which Is A Better Job For A Spiritual Lifestyle?

[Barfi n Mithai]

Bhenji, i am sorry to say but you don't have quality or quantity. I really do try to do simran throughout my day. Yet, even a moorakh like me can remember this tuk:

guramath naam maeraa praan sakhaaee har keerath hamaree reharaas ||1|| rehaao ||

Through the Guru's Teachings, the Naam is my breath of life. The Kirtan of the Lord's Praise is my life's occupation. ||1||Pause||

Your long wind post. Trying to make sense out of ideas which don't align with Gurbani was a waste of time. If you had taken the time out to focus on reading more Gurbani and actually remembering (quality) Gurbani, your mind would have not danced in maya trying to fight against Gurbani.

The key is to read every time with an open heart and say i am a worm who knows nothing as this rahao shabad starts off.

You tried to be a hero but you came out as zero........sikhs who chill with gurmukhs will get this joke.....lmao.

I want you to do better and achieve success with your sikhi rehat. There is nothing heroic about combining this. I have given numerous examples for people to understand. The Gurus were against people who spent their whole life in the jungle praying. The gurus advocated a gristi jeevan because he saw the need for Sikhs to be integrated into society.

Also I would encourage you to learn how to interpret bani properly. Bani is full of metaphors and alliterations and it has to be read in context. For instance -

scu Kwxw scu pYnxw tyk nwnk scu kIqu ]4]5]75]

sach khaanaa sach painanaa ttaek naanak sach keeth ||4||5||75||

Then, one's food is the True Name, one's garments are the True Name, and one's Support, O Nanak, is the True Name. ||4||5||75||

Based on your logic - if we interpreted the above tuk then you would say that we should not eat and we should not wear clothes because naam is everything.

I get the impression you don't know how to interpret bani. The Guru mentioned that this would happen too. Here is the tuk

pMifq vwcih poQIAw nw bUJih vIcwru ]

pa(n)ddith vaachehi pothheeaa naa boojhehi veechaar ||

The Pandits, the religious scholars, read their books, but they do not understand the real meaning.

Please take time to understand the real meaning behind bani. Any occupation where you work honestly, with integrity for sarbat da bhalla is a good profession. I have nothing to gain by asking you to push your worldly jeevan for the better. We have to be both Miri and Piri ie both strong spiritually and temporally (worldly). We cannot neglect one side for the other. I hope waheguru one day blesses you and the others who have not comprehended with understanding.

All the best.

[simran345]

Ang 882 Line 18 Raag Raamkali: Guru Arjan Dev

ਜੈਸਾ ਲਿਖਤੁ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਧੁਰਿ ਕਰਤੈ ਹਮ ਤੈਸੀ ਕਿਰਤਿ ਕਮਾਈ ॥੨॥

Jaisaa Likhath Likhiaa Dhhur Karathai Ham Thaisee Kirath Kamaaee ||2||

जैसा लिखतु लिखिआ धुरि करतै हम तैसी किरति कमाई ॥२॥

As is the destiny pre-ordained by the Creator, so are the deeds we do. ||2||

True

[simran345]

Wise words @barfi n mithai penji.

[Barfi n Mithai]

If I have to write an essay that covers every single outcome and permutation in order to make a point, then I just haven't got the time for that. I attribute anyone who reads or replies to me to have enough about them to understand the gist of what I'm saying. Obviously, I assume too much in some instances.

My reply to another forummer that you've quoted above was within the spirit of the conversation being conducted at that time, whereby the conversation was about individuals or a smaller subsection of Punjabi society, as opposed to a more general view on the merits of education and how spirituality is often relegated to an afterthought or not at all in most situations..

If you had read my previous posts you'd also have read the following:

And:

How anyone can infer I'm anti-education and anti-progress from what I've said above is frankly baffling.

Plus I'd appreciate it you dialled down the hostility a few notches. I'm no Pavlovian test subject, y'know

In reply to this - the problem is that you are not consistent. You will write something for and then something against. Its like you sit on the fence and don't commit entirely and then depending on how the conversation tone is going - you will say either a for or an against view. Also the logic in your comments follows through only at a superficial level and most people don't realise this because you use too many 'flowery words' to give a sense of 'eloquency' but when I simplify your content into common words that people use in everyday speech you can start to see where the logic doesn't follow through.

I don't normally care but in this situation I didn't like that because there is a definite answer - every Sikh should strive to be the best in their Worldly jeevan and their Spiritual Jeevan. We have the freedom to choose that job but once we choose it then we have to be the best at it.

[MisterrSingh]

In reply to this - the problem is that you are not consistent. You will write something for and then something against. Its like you sit on the fence and don't commit entirely and then depending on how the conversation tone is going - you will say either a for or an against view. Also the logic in your comments follows through only at a superficial level and most people don't realise this because you use too many 'flowery words' to give a sense of 'eloquency' but when I simplify your content into common words that people use in everyday speech you can start to see where the logic doesn't follow through.

I don't normally care but in this situation I didn't like that because there is a definite answer - every Sikh should strive to be the best in their Worldly jeevan and their Spiritual Jeevan. We have the freedom to choose that job but once we choose it then we have to be the best at it.

Well, things aren't black and white. I'm still formulating my opinions on various issues. I'm not arrogant enough to believe I have the answers to everything. Sometimes it's devil's advocate, other times I'm trying to gauge other's opinions and views to aid my understanding on a subject. I'd rather be flexible and open to all points of view than corner myself into a place where I cannot accept another point of view that doesn't chime with my own pre-conceived notions, prejudices and bias.

If I may critique your personality and powers of comprehension for a moment. You're too idealistic. You either live in a bubble where the theory has literally translated into reality - in which case lucky you - or you're ignorant to the fact that noble intentions and the like rarely translate so neatly when applied to the rawness and unpredictability of the human experience.

I'd say your worldview would be admirable if you were in your teens, but I'm guessing you're well into your 20's, and as such your understanding of matters smacks of a paucity of life experience and a heck of a lot of self-righteous delusion. I guess a lot of that can be attributed to the extreme feminist doctrine you were fed during your formative years, so I guess in some respects you aren't entirely to blame.

But I'm very touched you think I use flowery language. You're making me blush.

[simran345]

But I'm very touched you think I use flowery language. You're making me blush.

Lolz

Sawere sawere kina kuch parna penda , araam karlo chill all

Why don't my emoticons show ??? oh they are now

[MisterrSingh]

Lolz

Sawere sawere kina kuch parna penda , araam karlo chill all

Why don't my emoticons show oh they are now

BhenJi, I haven't even eaten my cornflakes yet and I'm having to put up with so much aggro so early in the day. Whatever happened to the holiness of the Sabbath? Bare Kaljug. ?

[Balkaar]

you use too many 'flowery words' to give a sense of 'eloquency'

Bhenji, that is the side effect of a timeworn practice of reading books.

Tusi ta aapi kehnde ne ke sikhiaa sabh tau jaroori hai, but you object to people demonstrating this same education in their manner of speech? I don't understand.

[MisterrSingh]

Bhenji, that is the side effect of a timeworn practice of reading books.

Tusi ta aapi kehnde ne ke sikhiaa sabh tau jaroori hai, but you object to people demonstrating this same education in their manner of speech? I don't understand.

Singh Ji, haven't you heard of the unwritten rule whereby 'flowery language' is perfectly acceptable when used by a person whose opinions and thoughts align with your own, but whenever someone who doesn't share your opinions on the world dares to slip in an exotic synonym or two into a sentence, then all of a sudden it's a sign of arrogance and being an intellectual lightweight?

[JSinghnz]

This society if all false. The society that we should be trying to contribute to is the society of saints. Everything in this world is false and the only true thing is naam. Why waste our time with educations that are false when we could be doing the only thing that is true which is naam? The answer is that we have to do kirt Kamai but do enough where a person is content with life.

Get smart by watching the news etc. Just cause a person has gone to university doesn't mean they are smart it just means they only know of their one small field.

Go to the jungle and become a sanyaasi.

Sikhi is to live in the society and excel while doing kirat and reciting His name.