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I dont know harinder singh personally or have any contact with nkj. But a person is innocent until he is proven guilty. But desis think the opposite "you are guilty until proven innocent". People here already seemed to have made up their minds that he is guilty.

No Johnny. I really don't think you have correctly grasped anything said here by anybody. My fear is that you might still mistakingly be focussing on the court case details, which were very different to the 2 issues being mentioned on this thread (below):

  • Harjinder Singh himself, from his own mouth, has talked about how it is part and parcel of Sikhi to kiss another man on the lips and refers to this as "mouth to mouth simran"
  • Harjinder Singh himself, from his own mouth, has talked about how he often likes to tap his "boys" on their genitals as a bit of horseplay and morale booster.
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No Johnny. I really don't think you have correctly grasped anything said here by anybody. My fear is that you might still mistakingly be focussing on the court case details, which were very different to the 2 issues being mentioned on this thread (below):

  • Harjinder Singh himself, from his own mouth, has talked about how it is part and parcel of Sikhi to kiss another man on the lips and refers to this as "mouth to mouth simran"
  • Harjinder Singh himself, from his own mouth, has talked about how he often likes to tap his "boys" on their genitals as a bit of horseplay and morale booster.

Is there a link to the recordings? I've only heard his "reply"

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I agree with jagsaws points.. very simple and to the point.

Not going to bother reiterating jagsaws points so..

those claiming he should get married is pathetic, if one has homosexual tendencies its irrelevant if he marries a women..

how many sampradas or mahapurshs wack private parts with stick to test kaam..unless he puts himself on mahapursh level who has defeated kaam...also please explain the kissing simran..(this canjot be denied)

lastly the whole jatha do not look like sher, just a buch of insecure men who feed off each other to boost their own confidence/ego..

I cannot belive the amount of blind followers he has.. thats my rant

but on a more balanced note.if you like his stuff, listen then go see where his shabads come from..guru granth sahib ji...then read contemplate and try being that special rose you think he is...

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I agree with jagsaws points.. very simple and to the point.

Not going to bother reiterating jagsaws points so..

those claiming he should get married is pathetic, if one has homosexual tendencies its irrelevant if he marries a women..

how many sampradas or mahapurshs wack private parts with stick to test kaam..unless he puts himself on mahapursh level who has defeated kaam...also please explain the kissing simran..(this canjot be denied)

lastly the whole jatha do not look like sher, just a buch of insecure men who feed off each other to boost their own confidence/ego..

I cannot belive the amount of blind followers he has.. thats my rant

but on a more balanced note.if you like his stuff, listen then go see where his shabads come from..guru granth sahib ji...then read contemplate and try being that special rose you think he is...

I'm not a blind follower or even a "follower" of any sort. Dont know him or even met him in my life. But all you and others here are basing your opinion on is based on an accusation that has not been proven to be the truth. So it seems a dude makes an accusation(without any proof) and all you guys just blindly jump on in saying he's guilty.

These types of accusations are very serious. It can literally ruin someone's life. One should at least form an opinion based on proof and solid evidence.

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I'm not a blind follower or even a "follower" of any sort. Dont know him or even met him in my life. But all you and others here are basing your opinion on is based on an accusation that has not been proven to be the truth. So it seems a dude makes an accusation(without any proof) and all you guys just blindly jump on in saying he's guilty.

These types of accusations are very serious. It can literally ruin someone's life. One should at least form an opinion based on proof and solid evidence.

Annoying isnt it..just like some thinking he is complety innocent, firstly that he has a huge following and now as cps decided not to take case forward..

Im not judging him solely on the accusers allegations.. more too it...

Ok..make a false allegation against your neighbour, see how far it goes...if it is a lie police would not even charge..forget magistrates and crown court...

For charges to be made, for magistrates to say it is a serious crime it goes to crown court 'THINGS HAPPENED'..question is of consent and witnesses..evidence was subjective....when magistrates pass it to crown it means they belive there uis a case but it is serious and needs to ge tried by jury...now cps decide not to take case forward as evidence not strong enough to convict.

i personally know people who have been charged with gbh but case dropped at crown..many reasons including wrong charges and not enough to convict when they were guilty as hell...

ppl use your brain.. if you go to doctor saying you yave leg pain he is not going to send you for an mri is he, first he gives painkillers etc then says ok you need to be referred.. likewise police would not refer to magistrates unless enough evidence to charge and magistrates forwarded to crown as they knew it was a serioys crime with over 6 months custodial sentence if found guilty...

Im sorry for dumb analogy but sone people are, well not so bright to put simple things together..

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a friend of mine is a member of the jatha he told me this was a carefully instigated evil deceptive plan to get somebody involved with the jatha. Accumulate loads of audio recording and then edit it in such a way that it seems like far from the truth. Gurbani says Jeh Ko Naam Leveh, Badnamee

But these evil doers have failed. The height of kaljug is in your face. welcome to Kaljug, my ardaas is may Sri Guru Bless NKJ to continue as the UK's most phenomenal music band, all thosenindaks such as www.sikhissuesblogspot.com well they can continue there cheap shots may the Sangat support those who have PROVEN great stuff

how come you never replied before telling sangat updates of case as you have friend in jatha...

can you tell sangat what charges harinder singh was cleared of, im sure he will tell you as he shared with you that govt/rss/tom and jerry want to demolish the next sant ji in bhai harinder singh ji.

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Annoying isnt it..just like some thinking he is complety innocent, firstly that he has a huge following and now as cps decided not to take case forward..

Im not judging him solely on the accusers allegations.. more too it...

Ok..make a false allegation against your neighbour, see how far it goes...if it is a lie police would not even charge..forget magistrates and crown court...

For charges to be made, for magistrates to say it is a serious crime it goes to crown court 'THINGS HAPPENED'..question is of consent and witnesses..evidence was subjective....when magistrates pass it to crown it means they belive there uis a case but it is serious and needs to ge tried by jury...now cps decide not to take case forward as evidence not strong enough to convict.

i personally know people who have been charged with gbh but case dropped at crown..many reasons including wrong charges and not enough to convict when they were guilty as hell...

ppl use your brain.. if you go to doctor saying you yave leg pain he is not going to send you for an mri is he, first he gives painkillers etc then says ok you need to be referred.. likewise police would not refer to magistrates unless enough evidence to charge and magistrates forwarded to crown as they knew it was a serioys crime with over 6 months custodial sentence if found guilty...

Im sorry for dumb analogy but sone people are, well not so bright to put simple things together..

This accusation can go to the court and police investigation but if is not proven to be true, then it just remains an accusation. If all we need are accusations to prove someone is a sexual molester, the jails would be filled with innocent people. I'm not saying he is innocent either. This is a very serious accusation on someone's moral character. One should form their opinion on evidence instead of word of mouth or what we like to believe to be true, because then you just become a blind believer.

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I don't know why people here still keep confusing the criminal accusations with the moral dilemmas about supporting a man that says kissing other men on the lips and touching their genitals is OK.

Lets be clar about this, being homosexual is not a crime and that is not why the Police arrested him and charged him. This is not Saudi Arabia. That issue, for us as a community, is a moral one.

But still many of you, I don't know why, perhaps because of a lack of proper education, still have difficulty distinguishing the 2 points and, more importantly, remain incredibly ignorant as to how the legal system in the country they were born in works. That level of ignorance is actually quite frightening and perhaps indicative to the general uneducateness of our community in the UK.

Let me put it into simple layman terms :

  • Some of you above have referred to Harjinder Singh veing "cleared" of all charges. He has not been cleared of anything. The way the system works is like this:
  1. The Police investigate a case and only if they feel someone is very guilty do they formally charge that person and reccommend a trial.
  2. Thats exactly what the Police decided about Harjinder Singh after an extensive investigation
  3. That 'reccommendation' then goes to the Crown Prosecution Service who have to decide whether there is a realistic possibility of a conviction and whether it is in the public interest to prosecute regardless of guilt....i.e this is where considerations such as community chohesion and protests are considered.
  4. And thats that.......The investigators after investigating decided he definately conducted criminal acts but the CPS said it was in the best public interest not to proceed any further.

Now, can you all you guys please now stop confusing the criminal charges with the moral issue of kissing men on the lips and touching their genitals. ?

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