Was Muhammad A Good Logician?

[SheikhYoBooty]

True Kira bro some peeps believe that too + i always respect what u say.

Just not Paki'ndi Babar!

I mean we could all agree that Bhai Mardana Ji was the first male Sikh and bebe Nanaki the first female Sikh :biggrin2:

I think why I was getting hyper was this dude doesn't have the honesty to condemn pedophilia, slavery, rape, terrorism

PS: Shout out to MisterrSingh Ji for good advice for me, Sir :biggrin2:

Btw peeps my latest top5 was (in no particular order) Questioner, Kira, SinghniMiriPiri, MisterrSingh + Balkaar

And the dumbest5 as usual was Jagsaw Khan, Paki'ndi Babar, S4ngha, TariKumar + last but not least myself

[MisterrSingh]

Paki'ndi Babar

You clearly cannot be Sikh as you are ignorant of the facts that:

1. Bhai Mardana Ji was the first Sikh in history. The Muslims in Pakistan openly call Bhai Mardana Ji a kanjar.

Bhai Mardana Ji rejected Islam and Muslims tried to kill Bhai Mardana Ji for being an apostate

2. Baba Farid Ji was a Sufi. A Sufi non-Muslim. Baba Farid believed in one God but rejected Prophet Muhammad as a role model due to Prophet Muhammad's slave trading, pedophilia, terrorism, genocides and rapes he perpetrated (see the Holy Quran for details). In Pakistan they call Baba Farid Ji a kuffar kanjar for rejecting Prophet Muhammad.

3. Baba Kabir Ji Maharaj is the biggest most vocal critic of Islam in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib.

The Muslims tried to kill Kabir Ji for that. Kabir Ji totally rejected Islam as utter falsehood.

4. Sain Mian Mir was a Sufi Sikh. Muslims bow to the black pagan stone in Mecca.

Sain Mian Mir bowed down before Guru Sahib.

5. Guru ki Maseet was a multi-faith Gurdwara where Hindu's and Muslims were welcome to offer their prayers too during floods (which I respect too ... no problem with innocent people of any religion ... but i defo have a problem with pedophile slave traders like Prophet Muhammad that kill innocent people in the name of their Arabic cultural empire of greed aka Islam). So just because the multi-faith Gurdwara has a Qiblah in it (direction of Mecca stone indicator) the Nihangs removed Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and sold out our Gurdwara to Muhammad Izhar Alam's Waqf Board. The same man Muhammad Izhar Alam whose Black Cats (mainly from Malerkotla Muslims) killed tens of thousands of innocent Sikhs buys out the Nihangs for some cannabis and sets it up as a new Mosque.

People like you Paki'ndi Babar would just love it if all our Gurdwara's were turned into Mosques.

Forget that the Arabs spend billions on new Mosques throughout the world each year, forget about disabled kids, forget about blind people, Sikhs on drugs or Sikhs needing operations being forced to convert to Christianity ...

Why not get a whole bunch of Sikhs re-building an old Gurdwara into a brand new Mosque for Muslims. Great idea!

Brother, why not end your post as above? You rebutted the other forummer's arguments with some solid answers that - to my knowledge - cannot be disputed.

When you go off on one of your Aisha & Mohammed cut-and-paste sprees it puts people off from reading the decent stuff you reply with. You're doing yourself a huge disservice. Just a suggestion.

[Dr_c]

Whats this got to do with Sikhi.Why is this clown allowed to post this trash all the time. This is a Sikh forum or am I on the wrong page.

[Balkaar]

Whats this got to do with Sikhi.Why is this clown allowed to post this trash all the time. This is a Sikh forum or am I on the wrong page.

If you object to the topic of this thread, don't read it.

[Dr_c]

If you object to the topic of this thread, don't read it.

so tell me what has this got to do with Sikhi?

[Balkaar]

so tell me what has this got to do with Sikhi?

More than you'd think. Considering Muhammad is mentioned in Guru Ki Bani, and that he is respected as an earlier messenger by a lot of Sikhs both on this forum and without, the subject cannot be dismissed out of hand.

Besides, do you really think they would ever allow this topic to be discussed on an Islamic forum? Or for that matter on a Christian or Jewish forum, bearing in mind that when one comprehends the fallacies of any one of the Abrahamic religions, one comprehends the fallacies of them all due to their being variations upon one another? Where else is left for people to speak of such things but Sikh (And Hindu) forums?

[Singhni MiriPiri]

True Kira bro some peeps believe that too + i always respect what u say. Just not Paki'ndi Babar!

I mean we could all agree that Bhai Mardana Ji was the first male Sikh and bebe Nanaki the first female Sikh :biggrin2:

I think why I was getting hyper was this dude doesn't have the honesty to condemn pedophilia, slavery, rape, terrorism

PS: Shout out to MisterrSingh Ji for good advice for me, Sir :biggrin2:

Btw peeps my latest top5 was (in no particular order) Questioner, Kira, SinghniMiriPiri, MisterrSingh + Balkaar

And the dumbest5 as usual was Jagsaw Khan, Paki'ndi Babar, S4ngha, TariKumar + last but not least myself

^A^ YESH! I have finally made it in the list! I'm so happy D’:

[Dr_c]

More than you'd think. Considering Muhammad is mentioned in Guru Ki Bani, and that he is respected as an earlier messenger by a lot of Sikhs both on this forum and without, the subject cannot be dismissed out of hand.

Besides, do you really think they would ever allow this topic to be discussed on an Islamic forum? Or for that matter on a Christian or Jewish forum, bearing in mind that when one comprehends the fallacies of any one of the Abrahamic religions, one comprehends the fallacies of them all due to their being variations upon one another? Where else is left for people to speak of such things but Sikh (And Hindu) forums?

if you were only as enthusiastic in supporting everything else that is mentioned in "guru ki bani" as you are in defending the discussion of this topic!! is it any wonder why Sikhi is going the way it is?! So islam cannot be discussed on a islamic forum so lets allow it on a SIkh forum.

To think that our great grandfathers fought the moguals.

Yet another mole no doubt!!

[Kira]

if you were only as enthusiastic in supporting everything else that is mentioned in "guru ki bani" as you are in defending the discussion of this topic!! is it any wonder why Sikhi is going the way it is?! So islam cannot be discussed on a islamic forum so lets allow it on a SIkh forum.

To think that our great grandfathers fought the moguals.

Yet another mole no doubt!!

He is just as enthusiastic. As is nearly every poster here. Gurbani is a vast ocean of knowledge, it isn't restricted to just a few key rivers that we should explore. There isn't an Islamic forum around which would let what we discuss here go by. They would ban it instantly. There are a large variety of topics that correspond to Gurbani.

Our Ancestors fought the Mughals so we could sit here today and talk about these kinds of topics. So we can enrich our own Knowledge of Sikhi and understand why everything happened or is happening. Gurbani is universal and timeless.

The Islamic topic discussed here is presenting Muhammed is a negative light, Almost all Muslim would be unhappy such a discussion is taking place as they perceive him to be perfect.

[Dr_c]

He is just as enthusiastic. As is nearly every poster here. Gurbani is a vast ocean of knowledge, it isn't restricted to just a few key rivers that we should explore. There isn't an Islamic forum around which would let what we discuss here go by. They would ban it instantly. There are a large variety of topics that correspond to Gurbani.

Our Ancestors fought the Mughals so we could sit here today and talk about these kinds of topics. So we can enrich our own Knowledge of Sikhi and understand why everything happened or is happening. Gurbani is universal and timeless.

The Islamic topic discussed here is presenting Muhammed is a negative light, Almost Muslim would be unhappy such a discussion is taking place as they perceive him to be perfect.

Yes so we are presenting him in a negative light something Sikhi tells us not to do!?

Ok now we are on the matter and you have responded in such an calm and respectful way. Clear something up for me once and once for all.

Is it true that our 10th Guru ji said we were not to trust them even if they did many thousands of kasams? Something about put your arm in a sack of seasme seeds and how many stick to it thats how many kasams are not to be trusted.

Was it not them who said leave anadpur and we will leave you alone? Obviously my Sikhi Knowledge is not as vast as others on this "Sikh" forum.