Do You Believe Khalistan Will Become A Country ?

[WaljinderSingh]

True. However, holding such things complete the requirement of 'using democratic' methods. We should exhaust such methods before bringing the revolution of change in public. Kejriwal did same thing and he is bringing revolution of change in Delhi.

All such methods have already exhausted for minorities especially when they stand-up for their own rights. It's in front of our very own eyes.

We are still awaiting justice for the last 31 years....

There is a quote well known :

" Justice delayed is Justice denied"

[S1ngh]

It depends on how we look at it. We did horrible job in gathering and documenting data regarding injustice done against us. Exception is bhai jasswant singh khalra.

Sikhs for justice is the doing the basic ground work to reach every corner of resources available and every move is documented. They summoned these cronies to US court and as we speak most of them ran away. One thing done is that they ran from us justice system and documented.

Now with 2020 project and to put UN on notice to get up and make noise for us. Tomorrow if something happens we have something to show that... Hey we did all of this years ago.

[WaljinderSingh]

It depends on how we look at it. We did horrible job in gathering and documenting data regarding injustice done against us. Exception is bhai jasswant singh khalra.

Sikhs for justice is the doing the basic ground work to reach every corner of resources available and every move is documented. They summoned these cronies to US court and as we speak most of them ran away. One thing done is that they ran from us justice system and documented.

Now with 2020 project and to put UN on notice to get up and make noise for us. Tomorrow if something happens we have something to show that... Hey we did all of this years ago.

UN can't help in this case. It needs a sovereign country to represent the facts before UN. Which country will do that?

Will it be India...?

[S1ngh]

So, what options do you suggest?

[WaljinderSingh]

Democratic means are effective in a democratic country.

Protests are only meaningful to keep the Qaum awake and let the opponents know that they cannot put a lid on their atrocities.

We must whatever one can do to remind ourselves of the gulami - Unless each one of us does not realise gulami, Azaadi cannot become a reality.

Become Khalsa and do ardaas.

There is nothing that Guru Granth Sahib cannot give to their beloved Sikhs.

Raj will come but only we if we ALL walk into the footsteps of Guru Gobind Singh ji Maharaj.

[Singh559]

Instead of advocating that young Sikhs catch flights to Delhi to begin armed struggle we need to be sensible.

We need to form jatha's at pind level that drugs are not openly sold and consumed and keep a lid on alcohol sales and consumption.

Instead of giving money to dubious organisations advocating armed struggle verbally (but secretly unwilling to leave their luxurious lives in the West) we need to prioritise young Sikh children in Punjab actually getting a good education and becoming literate as only with educated youth will the Panth's future have the knowledge to avoid being treated unfairly as illiterates are at disadvantage to GOI bureaucrats.

So long as caste divisions in Gurughars exist and people continue to support or tolerate matrimonial apartheid then there is no realistic prospect of overturning GOI discrimination as divide+rule tactics can easily be employed on weak caste-minded people.

Money needs to be invested in Punjab by overseas Sikhs in order to generate employment for the youth as each job can uplift a family out of poverty. As so long as Sikh families struggle with daily survival it will be too hard for them to think of anything else. Overall India's economy is now growing at a faster rate than China's whilst Punjab continues to be a laggard economically. The weaker Punjab is economically compared to those that discriminate against Sikhs the weaker our ability to combat their anti-Sikh discrimination.

The Sikh fetility rate is below replacement level and female infanticide is at disgraceful levels in Punjab. On top of that Sikhs have internalised Hindutva propaganda that only Amritdhari Gursikhs (around 3% of the Punjab population) are Sikhs so that anti-Sikh forces can define Sikhs as a permanent democratic minority. Only by including all Gurdwara Sangat and all sehajdhari Sikhs within the Panth will the Sikh Panth ever have a democratic voice. The Sikh Panth needs to ensure the democratic removal of Badal in 2017 and the best party currently with which to achieve that is the AAP given how all 4 MP's in Malwa are AAP. We need to lobby for H.S. Phulka Ji to be given the AAP Punjab Chief Minister ticket for 2017. I genuinely believe 5-10 years of leadership by a sincere Gursikh like H.S.Phulka can transform Punjab and strengthen the state of Sikhi in Punjab.

Before too many start fantasizing about taking one way tickets to Punjab to launch armed struggle against a terrorist state with 1000 times greater resources and ammunition which is backed and supported by the USA, Russia, UK, Canada, China, France, Australia for trade and business reasons, we need to not take our eyes off the fact that Sikhs are projected to be a minority in Punjab by the time of 2021 census due to the Balmiki and Dera Ballan apartheid mandir franchises aiming to convert 5 million Sikhs into tomorrow's Hindutva votebank (as Doaba is already an area of Punjab where Sikhs are now a minority).

Hit the nail on the head brotha

[jkvlondon]

UN can't help in this case. It needs a sovereign country to represent the facts before UN. Which country will do that?

Will it be India...?

maybe it will be Canada...

[jkvlondon]

Instead of advocating that young Sikhs catch flights to Delhi to begin armed struggle we need to be sensible.

We need to form jatha's at pind level that drugs are not openly sold and consumed and keep a lid on alcohol sales and consumption.

Instead of giving money to dubious organisations advocating armed struggle verbally (but secretly unwilling to leave their luxurious lives in the West) we need to prioritise young Sikh children in Punjab actually getting a good education and becoming literate as only with educated youth will the Panth's future have the knowledge to avoid being treated unfairly as illiterates are at disadvantage to GOI bureaucrats.

So long as caste divisions in Gurughars exist and people continue to support or tolerate matrimonial apartheid then there is no realistic prospect of overturning GOI discrimination as divide+rule tactics can easily be employed on weak caste-minded people.

Money needs to be invested in Punjab by overseas Sikhs in order to generate employment for the youth as each job can uplift a family out of poverty. As so long as Sikh families struggle with daily survival it will be too hard for them to think of anything else. Overall India's economy is now growing at a faster rate than China's whilst Punjab continues to be a laggard economically. The weaker Punjab is economically compared to those that discriminate against Sikhs the weaker our ability to combat their anti-Sikh discrimination.

The Sikh fetility rate is below replacement level and female infanticide is at disgraceful levels in Punjab. On top of that Sikhs have internalised Hindutva propaganda that only Amritdhari Gursikhs (around 3% of the Punjab population) are Sikhs so that anti-Sikh forces can define Sikhs as a permanent democratic minority. Only by including all Gurdwara Sangat and all sehajdhari Sikhs within the Panth will the Sikh Panth ever have a democratic voice. The Sikh Panth needs to ensure the democratic removal of Badal in 2017 and the best party currently with which to achieve that is the AAP given how all 4 MP's in Malwa are AAP. We need to lobby for H.S. Phulka Ji to be given the AAP Punjab Chief Minister ticket for 2017. I genuinely believe 5-10 years of leadership by a sincere Gursikh like H.S.Phulka can transform Punjab and strengthen the state of Sikhi in Punjab.

Before too many start fantasizing about taking one way tickets to Punjab to launch armed struggle against a terrorist state with 1000 times greater resources and ammunition which is backed and supported by the USA, Russia, UK, Canada, China, France, Australia for trade and business reasons, we need to not take our eyes off the fact that Sikhs are projected to be a minority in Punjab by the time of 2021 census due to the Balmiki and Dera Ballan apartheid mandir franchises aiming to convert 5 million Sikhs into tomorrow's Hindutva votebank (as Doaba is already an area of Punjab where Sikhs are now a minority).

up to a point I agree but I have to draw a line under your statement about RSS convincing us that only amritdhari people are sikhs ...that is definition by Guru ji not RSS , although there is Sehajdhari sikh definition ...but that doesn't mean peeps who want to do manmatt and stay nominal sikhs...it's for people who are actively starting on the path.

The biggest point of victory will be to embrace those of the 'scheduled castes' and uplifting them by providing them education , sanitation which will show others ACROSS India that we will value them , because at the mo they are being murdered, beaten, ostracised for their caste in legal jobs. This is 2/3 of population even if 20% follow sikhi that immediately doubles our number in India

[ramghariasingh]

up to a point I agree but I have to draw a line under your statement about RSS convincing us that only amritdhari people are sikhs ...that is definition by Guru ji not RSS , although there is Sehajdhari sikh definition ...but that doesn't mean peeps who want to do manmatt and stay nominal sikhs...it's for people who are actively starting on the path.

The biggest point of victory will be to embrace those of the 'scheduled castes' and uplifting them by providing them education , sanitation which will show others ACROSS India that we will value them , because at the mo they are being murdered, beaten, ostracised for their caste in legal jobs. This is 2/3 of population even if 20% follow sikhi that immediately doubles our number in India

i don't think SC will become Sikhs. if they want then i am sure RSS will not let this happen.

[jkvlondon]

i don't think SC will become Sikhs. if they want then i am sure RSS will not let this happen.

who died and made RSS in charge of them ? but if you are nervous of SC becoming SInghs and Singhnian then that is your fail as a sikh