Reincarnation And The Population Problem

[Malkeetv]

Sri Waheguru ji ka Khalsa

Sri Waheguru ji ki fateh

I recently came across a website promoting Stephen Blake's book in which he has refuted reincarnation by using mathematics and logic. Another problem highlighted by him is that if the souls are reincarnating, how come there is an increase in population (where are the new souls coming from) Since Gurbani supports reincarnation, Muslim websites are using this book against Sikhi. Does any one has mathematical and logical rebuttals against this book?

[Akalifauj]

Sri Waheguru ji ka Khalsa

Sri Waheguru ji ki fateh

I recently came across a website promoting Stephen Blake's book in which he has refuted reincarnation by using mathematics and logic. Another problem highlighted by him is that if the souls are reincarnating, how come there is an increase in population (where are the new souls coming from) Since Gurbani supports reincarnation, Muslim websites are using this book against Sikhi. Does any one has mathematical and logical rebuttals against this book?

If this guy can tell us how many souls exist in all 5 khands we should be looking to back him up. Recently a certain group with shallow views on Sikhi have been trying to prove their points on this site. This is the issue with missionaries. They never had the intent to learn from Gurbani and only looked to Gurbani because they know others take Gurbani as authority and they can get others to follow their views.

Sincere and honest individuals look to Gurbani and come up with the best answer from Gurbani to provide a response to such foolish assumptions about reincarnation.

Simply ask, has this man gone in the afterlife to see all the souls residing there? Missionaries don't believe in the afterlife, so they will never ask critical questions to send this man packing. I have no investment in reincarnation. Yet missionaries do by holding views against it and passing them off as Guru Sahib's views.

Gurbani is clear reincarnation exist and if anyone can't accept it. Too bad for them. Sincere followers will sit with Gurbani for hours and hours with the same shabad and different shabads by looking at every angle possible and not be satisfied until a concrete answer is provided by Guru Sahib.

But no one has the time for this anymore and they bring up excuses by labeling Sikhi as a householder religion and its practical. What they mean by this is, any average person views on what religion is; is what Sikhi teaches. This excuse is good as a student saying to a teacher, my dog ate my homework. If such people were in positions of power to create laws. Those who take the time to think critically would be sent to jail for providing an indepth view. Japji sahib says only Vaheguru knows the expansion of his creation. So how can anyone count souls? I barely went 8 angs into Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and there is already substantial evidence to discredit foolish theories on reincarnation. I pray Vaheguru gives Sikhs the strength to have patience and be content with Gurbani to understand what the Guru is saying.

[Balkaar]

1 - Souls don't just inhabit human bodies. Animals have them too. Has Mr Blake counted up the world's population of ants and snails and beavers to tee?

2 - Statistics and the laws of probability suggest that there are countless worlds elsewhere in the cosmos which are capable of sustaining life. The Universe is a single entity, Earth isn't a hermetically sealed system. Why shouldn't souls be capable of reincarnating elsewhere?

[MisterrSingh]

Muslims will latch onto anything that aggrandises their beliefs and worldview whilst simultaneously denigrating anything they take to be an antithesis of their shallow and narrow beliefs. Their pettiness knows no bounds.

"Live and let live" is a phrase that's alien to them. There must always be victory for them and submission of the other. There's nothing spiritual about most of these people in the way they practice their faith, despite there being obvious sections of spirituality in their scriptures, and the odd Muslim who sees the bigger picture.

Granted, some of the perceptions of the afterlife peddled by certain groups of our lot are a bit suspect too, but there's none of that maniacal glee and villainous hand-rubbing that comes with Islamic opinions on such matters. If God and the afterlife is, for arguments sake, as Islam proffers it to be, then please Satan take me to your bosom and accompany me to the fiery depths of hell for all eternity. I could never be able to accept the Islamic version of God.

BTW, I don't actually believe in Satan. I was making a point.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

He thinks like an <banned word filter activated>, he only believes humans have life among all life on all the planets. (Non-GurSikhi ideology is so stupid at times). How is (i-d-i-o-t) a banned word?

[Balkaar]

Granted, some of the perceptions of the afterlife peddled by certain groups of our lot are a bit suspect too, but there's none of that maniacal glee and villainous hand-rubbing that comes with Islamic opinions on such matters. If God and the afterlife is, for arguments sake, as Islam proffers it to be, then please Satan take me to your bosom and accompany me to the fiery depths of hell for all eternity. I could never be able to accept the Islamic version of God.

Right on.

According to the Bible, Yahweh/Jehovah/Allah is the ultimate good guy, the devil the arch-villain. But let's examine that for a moment -

In the Bible, Satan is recorded as having killed ten people. Ten. Yahweh however kills 2 MILLION PEOPLE. And that's the conservative estimate! I think they should exchange jobs. I'd also take my chances with Satan, he's clearly the nicer bloke out of the two.

[StarStriker]

Well according to suleman the ghost, in his conversation with sant isher singh ji, there are MORE ghosts wandering the earth than there are human beings.

[Malkeetv]

are there no mathematicians and logicians amongst Sikhs who can actually refute Stephan Blake's claims in his own language???

[Balkaar]

are there no mathematicians and logicians amongst Sikhs who can actually refute Stephan Blake's claims in his own language???

Please tell us how he has mathematically refuted reincarnation. If "why is the human population increasing?" is all he has, then we've just given you some reasons above as to how that disproves nothing. It doesn't need flourishes of mathematical and statistical skill to deconstruct that.

[MisterrSingh]

So is Blake denying solely reincarnation or is he also denying the idea of God and related matters?