17Th And 18Th Century Rehat Maryada

[Malkeetv]

[The Singhs would] consume MARIJUANA,

OPIUM, ALCOHOL and KEBAB's to their hearts

delight.

ਖੇਲੈ ਨਿੱਤ ਸ਼ਿਕਾਰ ਬਨਨ ਮੈਂ ਮਾਰਿ ਮ੍ਰਿਗ ਬਹੁ ਖਾਵੈਂ ।

They would constantly be engaged hunting in

the forest, consuming and killing many deer.

ਘੋੜਨ ਪਰ ਅਸਵਾਰ ਹੋਇ ਕਰਿ ਸਜ ਕੈ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਸਾਰੇ ।

Riding atop horses, [the Singhs] adorn

themselves fully with weapons.

ਭਾਂਤਿ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਕੀ ਪਹਿਨ ਪੁਸ਼ਾਕਾਂ ਕਰੈ ਕੁਵੈਦ ਅਪਾਰੇ ।

In many different ways [they] adorn the dress

[of a warrior], and engage in endless military

exercises.

Naveen Panth Prakash, Poorabaradh Bisraam

62, verse 91.

"The Sikhs are not restricted in the matter of

EATING OR DRINKING. When Partap Mall Giani

saw a Hindu boy who had a mind to

embrace Islam, he said, 'Why do you

become a Muhammadan? If you have an

inclination to eat everything, you may

become a Sikh of the Guru and EAT WHATEVER YOU LIKE." Dabostan e mazahib, Mohsin Fani

Banda wished to make Sikh abandon their

blue dress, to refrain from DRINKING AND EATING FLESH'

Sketch Of The Sikhs, by J.C. Malcolm,

1812, P. 83

'He was not in

accord with the Khalsa. Without the

Gurus approval he started his

own sect. He did not take baptism

of the dagger. He did not adopt the

Sikh way of life. He did not EAT MEAT AND DRINK WINE'

Santokh Singh in Suraj Granth

Also, bhai Vir Singh had replaced the word Sura(alcohol) with Suda (Ambrosia/Khalsa

initiation) while editing Pracheen Panth Prakhash

Sikhs of Hazoor Sahib consume meat and alcohol(all are amritdhari), they do not believe in Singh Sabha movement's version of Sikhism

[sikhni777]

The top line from Punjabi is missing the translation of which says

[The Singhs would] consume MARIJUANA,
OPIUM, ALCOHOL and KEBAB's to their hearts
delight.

Would you kindly please provide that?

[sikhni777]

[Malkeetv]

oh sorry.. here it is

[Gyani Gyan Singh describing the warriors of

Guru Gobind Singh]

ਸੁੱਖਾ ਫੀਮ ਸ਼ਰਾਬ ਕਬਾਬੈਂ ਛਕੈਂ ਜਿਤਿਕ ਮਨ ਭਾਵੈ ।

[The Singhs would] consume marijuana,

opium, alcohol and kebab's to their hearts

delight.

ਖੇਲੈ ਨਿੱਤ ਸ਼ਿਕਾਰ ਬਨਨ ਮੈਂ ਮਾਰਿ ਮ੍ਰਿਗ ਬਹੁ ਖਾਵੈਂ ।

They would constantly be engaged hunting in

the forest, consuming and killing many deer.

ਘੋੜਨ ਪਰ ਅਸਵਾਰ ਹੋਇ ਕਰਿ ਸਜ ਕੈ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਸਾਰੇ ।

Riding atop horses, [the Singhs] adorn

themselves fully with weapons.

ਭਾਂਤਿ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਕੀ ਪਹਿਨ ਪੁਸ਼ਾਕਾਂ ਕਰੈ ਕੁਵੈਦ ਅਪਾਰੇ ।

In many different ways [they] adorn the dress

[of a warrior], and engage in endless military

exercises.

Naveen Panth Prakash, Poorabaradh Bisraam

62, verse 91.

[dallysingh101]

OP, when you post this stuff can you make sure we have the original Gurmukhi text too?

That way people can assess the translations.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

This would be a wrong Maryada, because every Maryada must be related to Gurbani and the 52 Hukams. Sikhs are prohibited from drinking or consuming Marijuana. Gurbani is supreme!

[Malkeetv]

How come Sikh History and Nihang practises contradict Gurbani? I think that's because gurbani is translated too literally. Dante's inferno has four levels of translation of which literal translation is the lowest. Gurbani is deeper than that, how can it be translated literally. And I'm really not sure about the authenticity of 52 hukums attributed to Guru Gobind Singh ji.

[dallysingh101]

I think some compromises might have been made on the ground during warfare.

That isn't to say that talking bhang etc. was something all or most Sikhs did. Or even that Gurmat condones it.

Also, on another thread on Nihang rehat I made a point that some use of substances may have been self medication i.e. opium is an analgesic and certain non-intoxicating compounds in marijuana have uses beyond getting high (i.e. cancer, MS, some psychological conditions amongst others).

Plus remember, a lot of these writers wrote a fair few decades (if not centuries) after the events. For example Gyani Gyan Singh published the above in 1880, a good 170 odd years after dasmesh pita's earthly passing.

[sikhni777]

The video kiu murgi mare clearly explains that people who wanted to indulge in meat eating and other things will go to great lengths to get some sort of justification to do it.

[dallysingh101]

The video kiu murgi mare clearly explains that people who wanted to indulge in meat eating and other things will go to great lengths to get some sort of justification to do it.

Yeah but there is separate issue about so many references to meat eating, bhang consumption etc. in a lot of old Sikh manuscripts.

That's not me trying to justify it, but pretending these things don't exist is like burying ones head in the sand.

I don't think Sikh history is as clean cut as some people like to make out today. Suffice to say that it appears as if certain behaviours and thinking of SOME Singhs in the past was different to today, for whatever reason.

But yes, it's sad that people try and use this today to justify recreational intoxication.