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I am currently an organiser for Sikh events. My job role is organise events for Sikhs and also non Sikhs. This inlcudes trips to Sikh temples or museums. It is diffiuclt however to think of activities that will appeal to Sikh youth and also non sikhs.

At the moment I am thinking about a trip to Southall Temple. Can anyone reccomend the best times to visit? ie weekends and what times? . Aslo if anyone has any suggestions for Sikh related activities or events I could organise?

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At the moment I am thinking about a trip to Southall Temple. Can anyone reccomend the best times to visit? ie weekends and what times? . Aslo if anyone has any suggestions for Sikh related activities or events I could organise?

About 20 Gurdwaras in Southall mate. Which one ?

If its the £20 million Havelock road one, make the most of it because the Afghan Sikhs have nearly completed their even better one which is directly in front of it and will soon obstruct the view.

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There is no such thing as a 'better' Gurdwara, all Gurdwaras are the same. The temple can be a small building or a huge expensive structure. What matters is that it is the house of our SGGS , to say one is better then the other is wrong. every Sikh temple is the best no matter how small or big.

And yes i am refering to the one on havelock road.

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There is no such thing as a 'better' Gurdwara, all Gurdwaras are the same. The temple can be a small building or a huge expensive structure. What matters is that it is the house of our SGGS , to say one is better then the other is wrong. every Sikh temple is the best no matter how small or big.

And yes i am refering to the one on havelock road.

You don't appear to understand irony Big Tera. My point, albeit a bit too subtle for you, was that a perfectly large Gurdwara stood in a place and that Gurdwara was already more than large enough to cater for thousands of people. A group of Sikhs from Afganistan arrive. They all belong to one particular group (Arora). They don't like the idea of sharing their presence with other Sikhs such as Jatts, Bhatras, Ramgharias etc, so they decide, for no good reason, because there's absolutely no better use for such money anywhere in the world, i.e no starving children or anything, they decide to spend another £20 million or whatever on an equally large Gurdawara right in front of the extremely large Gurdwara that already stands.

Now that I've spelt it out for you, surely you can now spot the ironic nature of my first message ?

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1. You could go to the Sikh museum, and learn about the Sikh heritage.

http://www.nationalsikhmuseum.com

2. Invite Basics of Sikhi or go to one of their sessions.

3. Go to see and participate in the seva the charities such as SWAT, Midlands Langar Seva Society do.

4. Attend a Kirtan samagam.

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I am currently an organiser for Sikh events. My job role is organise events for Sikhs and also non Sikhs. This inlcudes trips to Sikh temples or museums. It is diffiuclt however to think of activities that will appeal to Sikh youth and also non sikhs.

At the moment I am thinking about a trip to Southall Temple. Can anyone reccomend the best times to visit? ie weekends and what times? . Aslo if anyone has any suggestions for Sikh related activities or events I could organise?

Its good you are organising these events. First thing you need to get straight is that a Gurdwara is not a 'temple'.

Personally, I'd take them to visit Park Avenue on a Sunday afternoon just after midday as it is far busier than Havelock and the experience I find is more suited to finding inner peace. For info, November 15, is when the Nagar Kirtan takes place in Southall for Guru Nanak Sahibs Gurpurab.

If non Sikhs want to experience meditation, take them to Park Avenue any day between 0400-0500 in the morning for Simran.

Outside of this there are many University Sikh soc events that take place frequently in and around London.

Then of course you have the Langar Seva Societies performing excellent work in London and the Midlands.

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Won't make a difference to the majority of the Sangat. Just gives more options for Anand Karajs, Akhand Paths,Sukhmani Paths, though it will create more problems with parking in an extremely congested area.

Its more than mere 'congestion' Ranjeet. It is actually 'history' unfolding right in front of our eyes but, as usual, we as a quom, are too asleep too see it.

It is, in a sense, deja vu. The conversations we're having today about ramgharia gurdwaras are the same our children will be having in 20 years time on the internet about the Arora / Khatri Gurdwaras being established in the UK by the Afghan Sikhs. Our children will log onto Sikh forums and ther'l be discussions about the problems associated with 'caste based' Gurdwaras. Just like is happening today, the sons and daughters of those Afghan Sikhs will say the jatts prevented them from entering their gurdwaras and they had no choice but to build their own ones. Just like is happening today most people will swallow their story and not pin the blame on them for creating those caste based Gurdwaras for no reason in the first place.

But thats the future. We're alive and allegedly awake today. We're living in a time where the news stoies are full of the desperate suffering of Sikhs in Afganistan and the discovery of dead Afghan Sikh bodies in shipping containers so shouldn't we be asking why on earth these Afghan sikhs think it is appropriate to spend tens of millions of dollars on a brand new gigantic Gurdwara when an aready stupendously giant Gurdwara already exists exactly 200 yards away ??????????

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Its more than mere 'congestion' Ranjeet. It is actually 'history' unfolding right in front of our eyes but, as usual, we as a quom, are too asleep too see it.

It is, in a sense, deja vu. The conversations we're having today about ramgharia gurdwaras are the same our children will be having in 20 years time on the internet about the Arora / Khatri Gurdwaras being established in the UK by the Afghan Sikhs. Our children will log onto Sikh forums and ther'l be discussions about the problems associated with 'caste based' Gurdwaras. Just like is happening today, the sons and daughters of those Afghan Sikhs will say the jatts prevented them from entering their gurdwaras and they had no choice but to build their own ones. Just like is happening today most people will swallow their story and not pin the blame on them for creating those caste based Gurdwaras for no reason in the first place.

But thats the future. We're alive and allegedly awake today. We're living in a time where the news stoies are full of the desperate suffering of Sikhs in Afganistan and the discovery of dead Afghan Sikh bodies in shipping containers so shouldn't we be asking why on earth these Afghan sikhs think it is appropriate to spend tens of millions of dollars on a brand new gigantic Gurdwara when an aready stupendously giant Gurdwara already exists exactly 200 yards away ??????????

Jags wats the name of this new afghan gurdwara? Id love to see wat it looks like. Also i think afghans tbf, r wanting a seperate gurdwara, probably bcoz their 1st language isnt panjabi, and only some of them can speak panjabi. Most of them either speak pashtun or dari. I remember seeing on sikh channel a while back of inside their afghan gurdwaras, n most of the writing inside was in dari and the stage speakers all spoke english/dari/pashtun. But i agree tho, y bother building such huge gurdwaras, wen the money cud b better spent elsewhere.

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Ive jus realised by looking on google earth, that its that big unfinised building on king st. I mean it looks nice, but damn wat a load of money to spend tho!

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Jags wats the name of this new afghan gurdwara? Id love to see wat it looks like. Also i think afghans tbf, r wanting a seperate gurdwara, probably bcoz their 1st language isnt panjabi, and only some of them can speak panjabi. Most of them either speak pashtun or dari. I remember seeing on sikh channel a while back of inside their afghan gurdwaras, n most of the writing inside was in dari and the stage speakers all spoke english/dari/pashtun. But i agree tho, y bother building such huge gurdwaras, wen the money cud b better spent elsewhere.

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Ive jus realised by looking on google earth, that its that big unfinised building on king st. I mean it looks nice, but damn wat a load of money to spend tho!

should be helping afghan sikhs who are stuck in afghanistan, poor have no money, living in gudwara buildings, kids cant go to school. On the documentary they were complaining how afghan sikhs abroad arent helping them then they go build this.

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should be helping afghan sikhs who are stuck in afghanistan, poor have no money, living in gudwara buildings, kids cant go to school. On the documentary they were complaining how afghan sikhs abroad arent helping them then they go build this.

Mercantile mentality.

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