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Original poster asked wat kept sikhs from expanding like mongols/genghis khan. Well genghis khan ANNIHILATED opponents aswel as innocent ppl. If maharaja ranjit singh did that to the buddhists in ladakh/tibet, hindus of jammu, muslims of kashmir/panjab/afghan areas, we wud all look back in disgust. Sikhs have never apart from partition of 47', gone on indiscriminate killing sprees of innocent ppl. If ranjit singh did kill most of the muslims of panjab (80%), then things cud well of been a lot different post 1849.

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I think the outright viciousness of Mongols played a big part too. They weren't averse to massacring whole cities when resisted. Actually the torture techniques applied on Sikhs later on derive from their own practices, which some later Moghul leaders inherited and employed.

^^^Balkaar

That's a good point, even when occupied, the Afghans don't give up resisting. Many stubbornly refuse to be co-opted like many of our people did when colonised.

Thanks. I always wondered why, if the mughals were mongols, they spread islam and used arabic/persian as government language.also why they had qazis in courts of law. So they must have conquered india much later than persia. Giving them time to become well versed in islamic culture before conquering india...
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Thanks. I always wondered why, if the mughals were mongols, they spread islam and used arabic/persian as government language.also why they had qazis in courts of law. So they must have conquered india much later than persia. Giving them time to become well versed in islamic culture before conquering india...

Yep. Those original Mongols weren't Muslims btw, they converted over a few generations after conquering Muslim territory.

Sorry if I've repeated a previous post here.

THE MONGOL INVASION AND THE DESTRUCTION OF BAGHDAD

The 1200s started out looking good for the Islamic world. The Crusaders had been defeated and Jerusalem liberated in 1187, the Ismaili Fatimids had finally been removed from harassing the Muslim world in the mid-1100s, and a powerful Khwarazmian Empire had emerged in Persia. However, all that would soon turn around when the ruthless Mongols would make their way into Southwest Asia. The destruction and devastation they left in their path has scarcely been seen anywhere else in history.

Who Are The Mongols?

The Mongols were a tribe of nomads from Central/North Asia. They lived on the steppe of that region, relying on a nomadic lifestyle of constant movement as a way of life. They were forever dependent on and attached to their horses, which was their main mode of transportation. Religiously, they were polytheistic animists. They never established a large, organized empire, and instead stayed as a loose coalition of tribes north of China.

The Invasion of the Muslim World

Besides some raids and massacres on the borderlands of Islam, Genghis Khan did not invade far into the Muslim world. Under his successor, Ogedei, the Muslim world continued to be spared Mongol wrath. However, in 1255 that peace would end. The Great Khan, Mongke, put his brother Hulagu Khan in charge of an army whose goals were to conquer Persia, Syria, and Egypt, as well as to destroy the Abbasid Caliphate. The campaign’s goal appears to be a complete destruction of Islam. Hulagu himself even had a very deep hatred for everything attached to Islam. Much of this came from his Buddhist and Christian advisors who influenced his policies.

The Muslim world at this time was in no position to resist the Mongol attacks. The Abbasid Caliphate was nothing but a shell of its former self, having no power outside of Baghdad. Most of Persia was disunited as the Khwarazmian Empire had mostly deteriorated by then. The Ayyubid state established by Salah al-Din was only in control of small parts of Iraq and Syria. In Egypt, a recent revolution had overthrown Salah al-Din’s descendants and brought to power the new Mamluk Sultanate. With his giant army of hundreds of thousands, Hulagu did not encounter much resistance.

Despite ultimately being unsuccessful in their attempt to destroy Islam, the Mongols left a deep political, economic, and military scar in the heart of the Muslim world. Entire regions were depopulated. Irrigation canals, fields of crops, and economic infrastructure were destroyed beyond repair. The political institutions, such as the caliphate, that held the Muslim world together for centuries were simply abolished.

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The empire established by Hulagu stretched over most of Muslim Southwest Asia

The Mongol Il-Khanate established by Hulagu’s descendants would rule over Persia, Iraq, and Anatolia for over 100 years. Over decades and centuries, the Mongols in Southwest Asia slowly converted to Islam and became absorbed in a Persian/Turkish culture. But there is no denying the immense negative effect the Mongols had on the Muslim world in the 1200s.

1255, around 2 centuries before Baba Nanak came to us.

Read more here:

http://lostislamichistory.com/mongols/

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Original poster asked wat kept sikhs from expanding like mongols/genghis khan. Well genghis khan ANNIHILATED opponents aswel as innocent ppl. If maharaja ranjit singh did that to the buddhists in ladakh/tibet, hindus of jammu, muslims of kashmir/panjab/afghan areas, we wud all look back in disgust. Sikhs have never apart from partition of 47', gone on indiscriminate killing sprees of innocent ppl. If ranjit singh did kill most of the muslims of panjab (80%), then things cud well of been a lot different post 1849.

Ironically, if the above had transpired, we'd have been sitting pretty with a land of our own carved out from swathes of India and Pakistan. World leaders would definitely know who the Sikhs are, and we'd have autonomy. Depends on the price one is willing to pay.

Is a country built on the bones of hundreds and thousands of innocents worth it? From a spiritual perspective - we ARE Sikhs, so spirituality is a prime consideration, no matter what the rational thinkers say who would like to see Sikhi relegated to a social philosophy instead of a religion - what karmic toll must such actions and policies have on those who build nations through such means? How long do such countries and empires remain? Where is the Roman Empire? Where is the British Empire? Where's the Ottoman Empire? Heck, where's Atlantis, lol? I'm looking at you, United States, lol. ;) These things never last. They're over in the blink of an eye.

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"no cowardly hit and run tactics, or destruction from above with rockets and missiles. By and large, your skill with a sword and your prowess on horseback determined your success as a warrior.

How dare you say dhai patt is cowardly..Satgur ji...kalgidhar patshah used hit and run tactics in battle. The khalsa used hit and run tactics throughout the misil periods.

Not being able to use a sword doesn't mean great success...if your sword breaks and you don't know unarmed combat what will you do?

Death and Destruction.

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How dare you say dhai patt is cowardly..Satgur ji...kalgidhar patshah used hit and run tactics in battle. The khalsa used hit and run tactics throughout the misil periods.

Not being able to use a sword doesn't mean great success...if your sword breaks and you don't know unarmed combat what will you do?

Death and Destruction.

I meant modern day "plant a bomb and then run off" tactics, not old-school mediaeval hit-and-run.

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