Breaking-Dhadrianwale-Arrested

[InderjitS]

I can understand caution , 'once burnt, twice shy' but surely behaviour after counts , and also respecting Akal Takht sidhant.

Agree. Both were out of order, but there are degrees to right and wrong and what Ranjit Singh did was not a patch in comparison to Santa Singh. That's not to say I trust the guy at least not yet, only time will tell if he is true to the Panth.

[khalsaman1]

I am not a fan of Dhadrianwale.

BUT....I will say one thing...

If there was wide-spread internet and social media coverage of Punjab from the mid-to-late 1970s, many would have labelled Sant Jarnail Singh Ji as an agent of the congress.

[JagsawSingh]

Why don't you go there and get lathi charged you khanjar! Internet warrior.

Baba is the one who started all this, he says there is a lot of responsibility when you preach and millions listen, he doesn't want the deaths of young singhs on his conscience, rightfully. What has the Sarbat Khalsa achieved? sod all. Badal, Avtar, Gurbachan are still there ruling!

Emi behta paunki janda, toon ja samne dekhiee tere sir jado paar deh.

See that is exactly where we're straying from the path. Nowhere did I say Dhadrianwale is this or that. I didn't say he's an agent and neither did he say he's a saint. What I said is that we, as a community, need to urgently snap out of this personality worship bollox. He, is a man. Nothing more nothing less. Man...just like me and you....is inherently flawed. No man should be put on a pedestal and all men should be viewed with a certain amount of cynicism.

Look at things from the other side of the coin. The other side of the coin is the way our people in Punjab have been ruined because they follow this baba or that baba and do so to such an extent that they are blinded by them. Blinded in the sense that not only can they not see that their 'baba' is not what he says he is but they refuse to acknowledge any shortcomings of that baba when we, the Sikhs, try and point them out. Reason, goes out of the window.

Now, just because a particular 'baba' is on the side of Sikhi rather than one of the deras, it does not mean we should also abandon reason.

We have a living Guru to guide us and that is Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. Everyone else is as mortal as us and has the same shortcomings as us. Every one of us people...including the babas....should be viewed with a very healthy dose of cynicism. Otherwise we are no better than the folk in Punjab that follow babas and visit deras. Otherwise this cult of personality will be the death of us. We need to wake up and realise that there is a world of difference between being good at talking and being genuine. 90% of our parcharaks are parcharaks because they have the gift of the gab. Underneath that oratory gift there is actually very little substance.

[DailyMail]

That's a fantastic post Jagsaw. I've read your posts since the days of West London Singh, and that, by a logarithmic mile, is the best.

"He, is a man. Nothing more nothing less."

Personality worship, is strangely increasing in some jathebandis. Even in educated Sikhs. Its a phenomenon that I can't understand.

[lsingh]

I would have thought there would have been some protests to lift the house arrest, but all gone quiet.

[jkvlondon]

I would have thought there would have been some protests to lift the house arrest, but all gone quiet.

I think people getting beaten up by police in villages is higher priority at the mo ...

[MisterrSingh]

That's a fantastic post Jagsaw. I've read your posts since the days of West London Singh, and that, by a logarithmic mile, is the best.

"He, is a man. Nothing more nothing less."

Personality worship, is strangely increasing in some jathebandis. Even in educated Sikhs. Its a phenomenon that I can't understand.

It's a symptom and a symbol of a lack of faith in the unseen. It's just a few shades removed from the man-worshipping Radhasoami and Narankari cults mainstream Sikhs deride so vociferously.

[simran345]

That's a fantastic post Jagsaw. I've read your posts since the days of West London Singh, and that, by a logarithmic mile, is the best.

"He, is a man. Nothing more nothing less."

Personality worship, is strangely increasing in some jathebandis. Even in educated Sikhs. Its a phenomenon that I can't understand.

This happens when people cross the line that between, that separates respect and worship.

[JagsawSingh]

That's a fantastic post Jagsaw. I've read your posts since the days of West London Singh, and that, by a logarithmic mile, is the best.

"He, is a man. Nothing more nothing less."

Personality worship, is strangely increasing in some jathebandis. Even in educated Sikhs. Its a phenomenon that I can't understand.

Daily Filth. My first inkiling is to draw your attention to how your 'news' ? paper yesterday thought it captured the public mood following the Paris atrocities by paying its resident cartoonist to draw a caartoon depicting brown men and women crossing into Europe followed by rats. The most interesting fact there is that your paper (Daily Mail) commissioned and published an identical cartoon in the early 1900's about Jews coming into Europe and that cartoon also articulated its point by showing rats right behind them.

Pause for thought.

But, Daily Filth, thank you for apreciation of me. You mentioned how long I've been here and that made me think why I am actually still at the same stage I was back then. My wife and relatively tiny children have been ready to shak amrit for a while now. They say it is me that is holding them back. They say its me they are waiting for to catch up. "caatch up" though, is difficult to define. Sometimes I wish I could become blind, shut my intellect, shut my eyes and follow blindly to what the parcharaks say but.........I just can't.

After much analysis the biggest hurdle........the reason I still haven't become amritdhari.......is 'jhoot' bibek.

My own spiritual development has been spawned by my Gurus' love for all mankind reardless of status, regardless of religion, regardless of whether or not they have a roof over thier heads. I want to break bread with them. My heart desires to sit and eat with the poor man. My heart desires to sit and eat the food that the poor, homeless HIV sufferer has prepared with his own hands out of love for me as a fellow man. But...............here I am. Still where i was before.

Nothing ever changes.

Men that are good at talking will still become parcharaks regardless of whether there is actually anything good in their hearts. Men with public speaking skills will go on making a forune while ordinary men like you and me will go on struggling with our heart and conscience.

[jkvlondon]

Daily Filth. My first inkiling is to draw your attention to how your 'news' ? paper yesterday thought it captured the public mood following the Paris atrocities by paying its resident cartoonist to draw a caartoon depicting brown men and women crossing into Europe followed by rats. The most interesting fact there is that your paper (Daily Mail) commissioned and published an identical cartoon in the early 1900's about Jews coming into Europe and that cartoon also articulated its point by showing rats right behind them.

Pause for thought.

But, Daily Filth, thank you for apreciation of me. You mentioned how long I've been here and that made me think why I am actually still at the same stage I was back then. My wife and relatively tiny children have been ready to shak amrit for a while now. They say it is me that is holding them back. They say its me they are waiting for to catch up. "caatch up" though, is difficult to define. Sometimes I wish I could become blind, shut my intellect, shut my eyes and follow blindly to what the parcharaks say but.........I just can't.

After much analysis the biggest hurdle........the reason I still haven't become amritdhari.......is 'jhoot' bibek.

My own spiritual development has been spawned by my Gurus' love for all mankind reardless of status, regardless of religion, regardless of whether or not they have a roof over thier heads. I want to break bread with them. My heart desires to sit and eat with the poor man. My heart desires to sit and eat the food that the poor, homeless HIV sufferer has prepared with his own hands out of love for me as a fellow man. But...............here I am. Still where i was before.

Nothing ever changes.

Men that are good at talking will still become parcharaks regardless of whether there is actually anything good in their hearts. Men with public speaking skills will go on making a forune while ordinary men like you and me will go on struggling with our heart and conscience.

veer ji Guru ji gave us the instruction to maintain bibek in terms of jhoot , you can share with your amritdhari brothers and sisters because and this is key they have turned their back on the whole jaat thing by breaking that social taboo jhoot by drinking from the same amrit di bata . Those people who eat meat, drink, smoke, do the things we are not supposed to, hold discriminatory views and have not given their head to Guru ji we don't eat from the same bata , glass because that is Guru ji command, that doesn't prevent us from sharing our bread with them , from doing their sewa ...think of it positively Guru ji is giving you the opportunity to serve them and show them a different way ...