Who Should Be Next Akal Takhat Jathedar

[hrman]

To be honest, we could have anyone as the next jathedar. They'd be 100 times better than what we already got !

even dhumma ?

[N30S1NGH]

I don't think rajoana is good choice as akaal takth jathedar as it will be media pr suicide. No doubt he should be awarded for his seva, give all the financial help, seva at sgpc but not as a media pr or head of akaal takth. We atleast i am not ready for more unnecessary negative press / giving people chance to reinforce their own narratives on us or reinforce their own broader stereotypes as it will turn out - oh look whos next sikh vatican leader? back up bomber. Unfortunately, thats how we/he be seen.

We need to be smart, since we are all abroad has made forgein countries our home, we can no longer can walk with "dont care attitude', must care about how we as community projecting or coming across to others. Remember we are NOT the only one exist in this globe, globe is shared among 7 billion people across and most of them are not sikhs, public opnion is important and winning hearts via parchar via essence teaching of gurmat is even more important.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

I don't think rajoana is good choice as akaal takth jathedar as it will be media pr suicide. No doubt he should be awarded for his seva, give all the financial help, seva at sgpc but not as a media pr or head of akaal takth. We atleast i am not ready for more unnecessary negative press / giving people chance to reinforce their own narratives on us or reinforce their own broader stereotypes as it will turn out - oh look whos next sikh vatican leader? back up bomber. Unfortunately, thats how we/he be seen.

We need to be smart, since we are all abroad has made forgein countries our home, we can no longer can walk with "dont care attitude', must care about how we as community projecting or coming across to others. Remember we are NOT the only one exist in this globe, globe is shared among 7 billion people across and most of them are not sikhs, public opnion is important and winning hearts via parchar via essence teaching of gurmat is even more important.

I'd have to agree, the only choice that would make sense would be one who's a respected GurSikh across barriers. The only one who really could get a huge support from non-Sikhs while still being a GurSikh though would be Jugraj Singh, (or Jagmeet Singh with the whole BBC thing), but I don't think either of them are that interested in being Akal Takht Jathedar.

[JagsawSingh]

There's a difference between Amritdhari Sikhs and typical Punjabi "sikhs", all of the choices are GurSikhs, I'd rather let the Akal Takht not supporting that Kundalini Yoga which is just bad for the Panth. There are some non-3HO Sikhs that are western; however, they haven't really been in the Panth long enough.

Many, if not most of them, are not as true Gursikh as you might imagine.

Just as an example, all of them have the most obscene petrol eating environment destroying monster jeeps that they swan around in.

A true Gursikh however, would understand and follow the teachings of Sri Guru Har Rai ji. Guru ji taught us about the fact that Waheguru is the trees, the flowers, the soil, the water and the air. Guru ji taught us that to destroy them is the same as destroying Waheguru. Guru ji taught us the fact that destroying the environment...for example cutting down trees in order to build big mansions....will have a knock on effect on the water table. A negative effect on the water table means fertile lands turning into infertile lands. Infertile lands without water means problems for the farmer. Problems for the farmer in Punjab means social problems throughout Punjab.

Do you see where I'm getting at here ? We need to ask ourselves just what kind of 'Gursikhs' are these that blatanly pick and choose which of their Guru ji's teachings they wish to follow and lecture on and which they choose to ignore ? What kind of great gyan do these gursikhs have if they don't even have enough gyan to understand guru ji's message about our own responsibility towards nature ?

It's as easy as pie to become Amritdhari and learn shabads etc. Easy as pie. Easy as pie to have the appearance of a Gursikh.

Having the appearance of a Gursikh and knowing shabads etc is however, not the same as being a Gursikh. A true Gursikh is very hard to find among Punjabis because Punjabis are tainted with Punjabi culture and Punjabi culture and true Sikhi is incompatable. What we find among 99.9% of Punjabi Amritdhari Gursikhs is merely the illusion of being a Gursikh.

As I've stated 3 or 4 times already, this poll here on this thread is fundamentally flawed because it does not give the option of a non-Punjabi, perhaps western Gursikh as jathedar. We need that option because such a jathedar will have none of the tainted Punjabi traits but will have 100% of Sikhi.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

Many, if not most of them, are not as true Gursikh as you might imagine.

Just as an example, all of them have the most obscene petrol eating environment destroying monster jeeps that they swan around in.

A true Gursikh however, would understand and follow the teachings of Sri Guru Har Rai ji. Guru ji taught us about the fact that Waheguru is the trees, the flowers, the soil, the water and the air. Guru ji taught us that to destroy them is the same as destroying Waheguru. Guru ji taught us the fact that destroying the environment...for example cutting down trees in order to build big mansions....will have a knock on effect on the water table. A negative effect on the water table means fertile lands turning into infertile lands. Infertile lands without water means problems for the farmer. Problems for the farmer in Punjab means social problems throughout Punjab.

Do you see where I'm getting at here ? We need to ask ourselves just what kind of 'Gursikhs' are these that blatanly pick and choose which of their Guru ji's teachings they wish to follow and lecture on and which they choose to ignore ? What kind of great gyan do these gursikhs have if they don't even have enough gyan to understand guru ji's message about our own responsibility towards nature ?

It's as easy as pie to become Amritdhari and learn shabads etc. Easy as pie. Easy as pie to have the appearance of a Gursikh.

Having the appearance of a Gursikh and knowing shabads etc is however, not the same as being a Gursikh. A true Gursikh is very hard to find among Punjabis because Punjabis are tainted with Punjabi culture and Punjabi culture and true Sikhi is incompatable. What we find among 99.9% of Punjabi Amritdhari Gursikhs is merely the illusion of being a Gursikh.

As I've stated 3 or 4 times already, this poll here on this thread is fundamentally flawed because it does not give the option of a non-Punjabi, perhaps western Gursikh as jathedar. We need that option because such a jathedar will have none of the tainted Punjabi traits but will have 100% of Sikhi.

What your basically saying is you'd rather have 3HO and their liberal thoughts as the way the Panth should go? Sikhi is very hard, not easy. Also you ignore their negatives being racist to Punjabi Sikhs, like you are also being casteist to Khatri Sikhs. Is that really Sikhi?

[MisterrSingh]

You guys do realise that the post of Jathedar has been politicised by Badal and as such a renegade or non-political person will never become Jathedar. The position has been tainted and is meaningless now, or for as long as the Badal dynasty sees fit to keep their oar in Sikh religious matters. Only a man of his choosing will ever occupy the post.

[Cisco_Singh]

You guys do realise that the post of Jathedar has been politicised by Badal and as such a renegade or non-political person will never become Jathedar. The position has been tainted and is meaningless now, or for as long as the Badal dynasty sees fit to keep their oar in Sikh religious matters. Only a man of his choosing will ever occupy the post.

It wasn't Badal who did this, it was the Singh Sabha movement that bought the birth of SGPC and the corrupt voting system. They were not clever enough to realise they were handing over control of Sikh institutions to the Government.

Badal himself is a puppet of the Indian government, remove him and the government will put another in his place and the cycle continues.

Akal Takht and Sikh institutions must be freed from the corruption of SGPC and true true panthic sewadars need to be put in place.

[hrman]

It wasn't Badal who did this, it was the Singh Sabha movement that bought the birth of SGPC and the corrupt voting system.

if voting system is corrupt than why even western gurdwara s have voting system ?

[lsingh]

Good point maybe start with removing the voting system in the West.No SGPC here.

[GurburAkal]

I think we need to change this whole jathedar system.

We need multiple panj piare to have control. There should be Panj piare as the "jathedars" for each takht. This way it will be better because it is harder to infiltrate our takhts . Its more difficult to pay off 25 men than only 5. The leaders will also have different viewpoints, but it can lead to further separation and arguements within the panth.

add another option of changing the system