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Should the gurdwara play a role in addressing issues that every community faces like domestic violence and drugs substance abuse an sexual abuse?

I was wondering since each community has people who come from broken homes then there must be sikhs who come from broken homes as well

How can we help people who are scared to ask for help or struggle with english or need a support system?

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Should the gurdwara play a role in addressing issues that every community faces like domestic violence and drugs substance abuse an sexual abuse?

I was wondering since each community has people who come from broken homes then there must be sikhs who come from broken homes as well

How can we help people who are scared to ask for help or struggle with english or need a support system?

Each of your questions answered in order.

1. Yes, because some last folk need to find the righteous path once again. 2. We get special teachers or tutors who know both Punjabi and English well to be able to reach the language in a basic standard, (this should be in any local language not just English)

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Should the gurdwara play a role in addressing issues that every community faces like domestic violence and drugs substance abuse an sexual abuse?

I was wondering since each community has people who come from broken homes then there must be sikhs who come from broken homes as well

How can we help people who are scared to ask for help or struggle with english or need a support system?

This is a good question. In our community, there are many instances that can be helped if there was more support from our community.

Because of the language barrier, those that need help do not approach the mainstream social support.

There are more support organisations now, than there was 15yrs ago. But the problem is one does not know how to access them if there first language is not English. Also those that are fluent in English may not know either or are not confident enough in asking for the help earlier on.

This is where the Gurdwaras could have a base of first contact, from which they can guide somebody or refer to the relevant organisation. As the fields of problems one is facing are specialised and would need different professionals to deal with, somebody without training in a Gurdwara giving advise would just not be wise.

Gurdwaras can invite speakers from support organisations on a quarterly basis of the year, to ensure they are providing this service.

Organisations like Alcohol Beyond, Sikh Helpline, Organisations that deal with drugs addiction, etc etc should be invited to have sessions.

It's like when I used work within our community, there were so many other problems that I was asked for help, but since I did not have the training in that field, all I could do was to advice them who to contact. It made a lot of difference, as they would not know where to get that support from. I feel Gurdwaras should have a helpline base which could have literature and a point of contact.

It doesn't need to be complexed, even a small area like in a library will be ok.

I've already put on an event this week in the global events sections. Events like this should be more common.

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/78461-alcohol-drugs-talk-southall/#entry651105

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I tell you what!

Most (if not all) of the apnay I've met or heard of converting to Jesusness have done so because they they received 'pastoral' support at a church during times of serious crises (a lot of youngish women especially, a few of who have gone on to become pastors themselves).

We need to learn important lessons from that. Simple.

We do have this strange culture where we don't really want to embroil ourselves in others problems whilst conversely hiding our own ones out of shame. We front too much when we suffer because our macho culture perceives anything else to be weak I think? (I do it myself). Okay fair enough, but when there are young and vulnerable kids in our community suffering we should have contingencies for them, especially in the UK where there seems to be a pedo under every rock you pick up.

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I tell you what!

Most (if not all) of the apnay I've met or heard of converting to Jesusness have done so because they they received 'pastoral' support at a church during times of serious crises (a lot of youngish women especially, a few of who have gone on to become pastors themselves).

We need to learn important lessons from that. Simple.

We do have this strange culture where we don't really want to embroil ourselves in others problems whilst conversely hiding our own ones out of shame. We front too much when we suffer because our macho culture perceives anything else to be weak I think? (I do it myself). Okay fair enough, but when there are young and vulnerable kids in our community suffering we should have contingencies for them, especially in the UK where there seems to be a pedo under every rock you pick up.

main problem is we inherited a judgmental streak from hindu culture , where as Sikhi teaches us to be unprejudiced observers , much like homeopaths are taught to be ...if Khalsa are perceived to be safe havens of non-judgemental help in all aspects of life then our gurdwarey will really become full of Guru's ji love and understanding.

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I tell you what!

Most (if not all) of the apnay I've met or heard of converting to Jesusness have done so because they they received 'pastoral' support at a church during times of serious crises (a lot of youngish women especially, a few of who have gone on to become pastors themselves).

We need to learn important lessons from that. Simple.

We do have this strange culture where we don't really want to embroil ourselves in others problems whilst conversely hiding our own ones out of shame. We front too much when we suffer because our macho culture perceives anything else to be weak I think? (I do it myself). Okay fair enough, but when there are young and vulnerable kids in our community suffering we should have contingencies for them, especially in the UK where there seems to be a pedo under every rock you pick up.

Good points

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We also have a very old strong tradition to gossip about everyone and anyone non stop! We mind everyone else's business who happens to be blessed with two legs, two arms and two eyes on the planet!! We are, you could say, 'The Busybodies' of the world, but very reluctant and hesitant to reach out and help others when they need it!!! We don't turn to our own when we have problems because we know deep down in our hearts that everyone on the street will find out about it and then we will have a 'bad naami' forever!

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We also have a very old strong tradition to gossip about everyone and anyone non stop! We mind everyone else's business who happens to be blessed with two legs, two arms and two eyes on the planet!! We are, you could say, 'The Busybodies' of the world, but very reluctant and hesitant to reach out and help others when they need it!!! We don't turn to our own when we have problems because we know deep down in our hearts that everyone on the street will find out about it and then we will have a 'bad naami' forever!

If people smacked other people who did needless chugglian about them more often, this would die down. But we are so sensitive to criticism (twisted notions of izzat) that when someone gets talked about regarding something untoward going on their family, they go into hiding or denial mode. I notice its also usually some katorh buddhi that gets off on the gossip mongering and her placid husband just sits there nodding like a lulloo. Then kids grow up with this sort of b1tching going on around them as a norm and do it themselves. More people (at a family level) need to tell the chuggle merchants in their families to shut up. Even if they are older. Got to challenge this ish at the source.

We are like crabs in a barrel. If one is getting out, the others grab onto him and drag him back in. lol

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If people smacked other people who did needless chugglian about them more often, this would die down. But we are so sensitive to criticism (twisted notions of izzat) that when someone gets talked about regarding something untoward going on their family, they go into hiding or denial mode. I notice its also usually some katorh buddhi that gets off on the gossip mongering and her placid husband just sits there nodding like a lulloo. Then kids grow up with this sort of b1tching going on around them as a norm and do it themselves. More people (at a family level) need to tell the chuggle merchants in their families to shut up. Even if they are older. Got to challenge this ish at the source.

We are like crabs in a barrel. If one is getting out, the others grab onto him and drag him back in. lol

My grandma used to tell off other women at the Gurdwara when they were talking about somebody.

She used to say " Tusi ithe aunde lokha dia nauha dia gallan karn, je Rab da nau lehn aunde? Pela apne ghar deklo ki hunda ".

And I've said to some bibian in the past not to talk about our family but say it to our face, as I caught them whispering about us. That soon shut them up, after that were always nice to me, saying " kida putt teek a tu".

So yes it does need to be confronted, as that's not the reason for going to the Gurdwara. Bhagti da ghar a, which should be cherished on each visit.

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She used to say " Tusi ithe aunde lokha dia nauha dia gallan karn, je Rab da nau lehn aunde? Pela apne ghar deklo ki hunda ".

It's so endemic that I've seen a fair few people (male and female) who've blatantly got problems with kids in their own house (say a daughter running around with a sullah or gora on the sly; or a hedonistic drug/alcohol and steroid fueled son), yet feel no shame about gossiping (with relish too!) about stuff going on in other people's homes...

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It's so endemic that I've seen a fair few people (male and female) who've blatantly got problems with kids in their own house (say a daughter running around with a sullah or gora on the sly; or a hedonistic drug/alcohol and steroid fueled son), yet feel no shame about gossiping (with relish too!) about stuff going on in other people's homes...

That's because they think nobody knows and it's hidden, thinking nobody has seen it. But reality is most families have some sort of problem, it's just some hide it well and put on an act. Nobody's family is perfect, but people still try the tv drameh acting.

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