Pickpocket Gang Rightfully Jailed. Qaum Di Bezhti Good And Proper.

[dallysingh101]

I think we've reached a conclusion here myself. Buddasingh's post has been the most incisive on the subject of caste that I have read in a long long while.

We've definitely got a deep rooted culture of supremacism from certain quarters in the panth. Who the hell is going to deny this, other than people stuck inside of it? A central part of this culture is to continually try and attack and deride people outside of this group and falsely project one's own group as exemplary models. This involves a lot of what is called mental 'repression' to deal with dissonance as so many examples that contradict the supremacist perspective can be found in that community itself - with ease. I've often wondered about this persistence in the face of such strong evidence to the contrary but I think you've you've nailed it with:

The people who I hear speak the loudest for caste in Sikhi are jatts. However, those are also the people who I hear despise jattism more than anyone else. In particular the single trait that you will hear Sikhs who happen to be jatts find most disgusting amongst other jatts is caste pride. They have rejected caste to select Sikhi and are outspoken warriors for Sikhi in this respect.

This jattism they speak against is no different than a racism that is ingrained from childhood. This type of casteist cultural upbringing is a brainwashing that is so deep that it is overcome by therapy or very difficult self-examination. Rational thought or simple intelligence can mask it, but it still exists and will resurface.

A racism so strong and mainstream is not the type that can simply be considered as fringe element in our society. It is a disease living amongst us. It brings out the worst counter hatred from all other groups amongst a society of Sikhs that still struggles to extract itself from caste. It is very important to note that counter-hatred is hatred plain and simple. It is no less judgmental or wrong. Otherwise every single group will say “we are simply reacting” or “we are simply stating facts”. The anti-jatt contingent is very good at attempting to excuse its own ugly casteism with this.

I agree that more and more people from jat backgrounds are waking up to the brainwashing of jat culture and becoming increasingly aware of the outright havoc it creates in the wider Sikh community. That being said, I see a blatant reluctance from many of the more progressives to squarely face up to the more ignorant jats, who you yourself recognise as a majority in that community (i.e. no small fringe group). I wonder how the enlightened must feel when they see the bigger picture, it wouldn't surprise me if they feel disheartened and powerless against the more vocal pro-caste jat. Maybe they feel fighting back is futile and so shy away from robustly confronting it? Given that, is it really any surprise that nonjats (and I mean people who may not identify with any particular caste like myself as well) have to take up the mantle and confront the Jagoffs of the world? You might call it hate or another form of casteism but I think you're wrong. Someone has to hold the mirror up. It's an ugly job, and too many people duck it. People who step up, without trying to push some counter supremacist agenda of another caste should be commended, not condemned.

One thing is certain though - we can't rely on mass self-examination (which is difficult for the most intelligent of people let alone people from a generally illiterate background) to cause change; especially as the culture in question actively discourages such introspection.

There can be a place and manner to identify traits amongst groups. Respectfully, you are the last person who should take on something like this. It is something that takes great insight to be done for any effective purpose. For the largest majority of us, we should clean up our own backyard. For me that backyard is Sikhs and there is plenty of cleaning up to do right across the board. By pointing fingers at “the other” much of who our minds create, we are simply ignoring our own mess.

That's all a lot of us are trying to say to the jats who keep trying to point out perceived flaws in other communities whilst turning a blind eye to the army of monsters that lurk under their own manji. A little reminder of their own problems (which they are in denial about) is doing them a favour. It might wake up a few of them, sooner or later.

That all being said, a lot of progress HAS been made in the diaspora (although Panjab itself is a cesspit in this respect and the ultimate source of the problem). The mindset that produces this type of thinking (which you yourself recognise as deeply psychologically and akin to some form of mental disorder requiring therapy) needs to be challenged.

Until things change, expect people outside of this culture to distance themselves from it? Only a fool or someone lacking in any form of self-esteem would tolerate that 5hit.

[JagsawSingh]

Buddasingh, shame on you.

Lets recap as to just how much of a pathetic imbecile you are:

• DallySingh makes disgusting remarks about jatts on every single thread he has ever visited on this website over the last 6 months. It doesn't matter if the thread is about Punjab...or about cakes....or about bread....or about cars. He still makes his disgusting casteist remarks - And yet none of that has ever bothered you at all and here you pretending to care about 'caste'
• Dallysingh, on this Sikh forum with little vulnerable children present, has, on this thread alone, used the 'F' word a total of 6 times, mostly to denegrate the mothers and fathers of the other Sikhs present here, and indeed in one of his posts here he insinuated that a fellow member here has sexual intercourse with his own mother - And yet none of this has bothered you at all instead feeling the need to abuse someone pointing out and correcting facts.
• 4 people here were having a discussion about the Aroras from a Sikh History in central Asia perspective. I joined in later and gave details of that history and several others here thanked me for answering those queries. In that same discussion, your potty mouthed friend Dallysingh101, demonstrating his immature childlike intellect, contributing by adding that perhaps the aroras in the picture were 'Hazaras', not realising what a hazara looks like - And yet you choose to ignore all that ?
• I've stated in my previous message how I have posted message after message here on this forum in various different threads about my hatred for corrupt jatt sikh keshdari dastar wearing Sikhs. I reminded you how my past form here has demonsteated how determined I am to preserve the honour of the dastar that I have, on many occassions here, devoted large chunks of my personal time researching and exposing the detailed financial history of those indivduals - And yet, despite me telling you in that message, you choose to blank your mind of this fact ....why ?
• Despite everyone on this thread, including the OP, continously telling the dufus Dallysingh101 that this issue is about the honour of the dastar that complete imbecile that lacks basic comprehension keeps going on like a mad man about mona hair-cutted people from a Sikh background. - And yet instead of opening your eyes to what you are reading you choose to abuse a Sikh ?
• Dallysingh101, posted 3 seperate messages on this thread where he said that its good for we Sikhs to have criminals and even stated clearly that those who do not commit crime or at least support tough criminals, are "soft pussies" - And yet none of this bothered you at all, instead coming to the conclusion that you should abuse the man that said incest is wrong and seeing Sikh women as sexual slaves is wrong

And you, dallysingh101, when you said this you really overstepped the line. Perhaps the blind 'Sikhs' supporting you here will finally wake up and see what kind of man and viewpoint they are supporting:

You sound like you're upset some next man's wife looks attractive and you're stuck with some frump?

Also, when I used to go out and about years ago (including clubbing and pubbing) I'd meet hordes of tarted up jattis out on the town. So I don't know how you can start pointing fingers along these lines? It's ridiculous.

Let me tell you something right here and now....My beautiful dastar wearing wife is a laadli th'ee of Sri Gobind Singh Ji. Truly beautiful. How dare you think you can get away with making such digusting remarks. Your messages full of the 'F' word in this thread should have already been enough to show what kind of person you are but the fact that you think by making abusive comments you can scare dastar wearing Singhs and Kaurs into not mentioning how it is wrong to marry and sleep with your sisters and to see females as nothong more than sex objects should be more than enough to show the others here what kind of person you actually are. That is your parents fault for raising a son with such a filthy mouth and with such gandeh thoughts. Shame on them for that.

Now, everyone else, do you see what is happening here ? When we have discussions about why the Muslim community in the UK is living in denial, refusing to acknowledge that so many of their people are wearing religious attire but yet indulging in immoral activities, do you not see how we are now doing the exact same thing. When terrible shortcomings are pointed out, do you see how hard they come down on those pointing it our rather than the people actually doing the things ?

We, together, for the sake of our children, must NEVER EVER allow those wearing a dastar to do anything that brings dishonour to it. All my life, I have confronted all those that do and told them straight that if they wish to carry on doing such things they must cut the hair. We were at a wedding last year and as we were walking from our car to the reception hall we noticed a dastar wearing singh smoking with some others. My little son first went up to him and told him straight that he should cut his hair and stop doing besti to the dastar. Then my wife got involved and literally told him she would smack him upside the head if he ever does such a thing again and if he can't stop he should cut his hair and stop wearing a pagh. That man was obviously a jatt as we were all at a jatt wedding together. So where's 'casteism' now ?

Constantly, here on SikhSangat, I have called for the death and destruction of immoral dastar wearing sikhs such as Badal and KPS Gill. They're jatts too. So where's 'casteism' now ?

Constantly, here on Sikhsangat, I have chased and exposed the personal financial dealings of corrupt rich Sikhs in the UK, such as Malhi of Southall etc. They're all jatts. So where's 'casteism' now ?

Take a good look at yourselves. Examine how and why you wish to abuse me for letting people know how these Afghan Sikhs practice incest and insist that their wives cut their hair as they do not believe females shoulld practice Sikhism. Abuse me all you want.....I have my children to think about...and the kind of Sikhi they shall inherit. Thus, I will never stop saying how disgusting the practices of these Afghan Sikhs are untill they either stop dishonouring the dastar and cut their hair or they stop. Untill they stop, or cut their hair and stop doing besti to the dastar, I will continously batter them and that is something I am very very proud of.

[dallysingh101]

Jagoff:

You are a perfect example of the result of the brainwashing we have been speaking of.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

Jagoff:

You are a perfect example of the result of the brainwashing we have been speaking of.

I highly doubt he goes out much in the real world.

[JagsawSingh]

Jagoff:

You are a perfect example of the result of the brainwashing we have been speaking of.

Really ? You place so little value in the honour of the dastar that you have stated clearly in this very thread that : Its OK for dastar wearing Singhs to have sex with their sisters.....Its OK for dastar wearing Sikhs to see women as objects created purely for men to enjoy sexually....Its OK to commit crime and any sikh that doesn't think criminals are cool is a "soft Pu**y". On other threads, many a time, you have stated that it is wrong for Sikhs to be considered a race seperate from Indians. On this thread, you have repeatedly abused people...repeatedly used disgusting swear words. And yet you think I'm brainwashed for being consistent in stamping on all those that bring dishonour to the dastar ?

Your little friend here jacfsing is already well known for being a complete retard so he's a bit of a lost cause but people like buddasingh need to take a step back and analyse how an anti-Sikh, Pro-Indian, drinking, night-clubbing fake like yourself has managed to hoodwink him. Shame on him for that. But, as I said before, I, and my family, will NEVER stop stamping on the heads of all those who bring shame and disgrace on the turban no matter how hard you try and scare me away with abuse. A vicious foreign nation (India) illegally occupies my land. I will never, till my dying day, cease to break and abuse both them and the sellout Sikhs that support them. It is then, just a co-incidence that the 2 of you brothers in arms here right now (jacfsingh and Dallysingh101) are the ones that have been consistent over the years with your anti-Khalistan stance ?

[Guest Jacfsing2]

Really ? You place so little value in the honour of the dastar that you have stated clearly in this very thread that : Its OK for dastar wearing Singhs to have sex with their sisters.....Its OK for dastar wearing Sikhs to see women as objects created purely for men to enjoy sexually....Its OK to commit crime and any sikh that doesn't think criminals are cool is a soft <banned word filter activated>. On other threads, many a time, you have stated that it is wring for Sikhs to be considered a race seperate from Indians. On this thread, you have repeatedly abused people...repeatedly used disgusting swear words. And yet you think I'm brainwashed for being consident in stamping on all those that bring dishonour to the dastar ?

Your little friend here jacfsing is already well known for being a complete retard so he's a bit of a lost cause but people like buddasingh need to take a step back and analyse how an anti-Sikh, Pro-Indian, drinking, night-clubbing fake like yourself has managed to hoodwink him. Shame on him for that. But, as I said before, I, and my family, will NEVER stop stamping on the heads of all those who bring shame and disgrace on the turban no matter how hard you try and scare me away with abuse.

All you can do is insult people isn't that right?

[Big_Tera]

Lol at this thread so many people who dont have respect for Sikhism.

Ie people like dallysingh who have a trash mouth and openly use disgusting and fifthly language . I dont know why the moderators have not banned this for his perverse language.And he needs to stop going on about jatt women and jatts.

jascfsingh is a person who just comes to further ignite fights on here with his comments.

Jagwahsingh although you made some informative post regarding the Afghan Sikhs in Southall you are comming across as judging the whole community based on your views. which is plain right narrow minded and someone of your age should no better!

I think all three of you need to take a chill pill and relax !!

[double-edge]

Although rather strongly worded, what jagsaw has said about the newly settled afghan-sikh community is fairly accurate. I have seen these trends myself and they should be condemned.

The anti-jatt brigade need to realise that they are being just as racist as the anti-chamaar lot that we have all grown up with.

Some people on here clearly need weaning off youtube as their wannabe gangsta attitudes and language stink.

[guptsinghji]

jacfsingh2

You are no one to start telling people to cut their hair. It is None of your business and their life. If you have dard inside you then Instead do parchaar of sikhi and make them realise how beautiful sikhi is. Basic principle of sikhi,speak sweet mith bolna

[Guest Jacfsing2]

jacfsingh2

You are no one to start telling people to cut their hair. It is None of your business and their life. If you have dard inside you then Instead do parchaar of sikhi and make them realise how beautiful sikhi is. Basic principle of sikhi,speak sweet mith bolna

When have I said to anyone to cut their hair? You are totally making stuff up now.