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[StarStriker]

Arnt the afghans made up of different tribes tho? Not necessarily just aroras.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

Arnt the afghans made up of different tribes tho? Not necessarily just aroras.

I'd assume many Afghan, (some Sikhs included), would be Pathans.

[Balkaar]

I'd assume many Afghan, (some Sikhs included), would be Pathans.

I doubt any of the Afghan Sikhs are Pathan veerji, they don't look it at all.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

I doubt any of the Afghan Sikhs are Pathan veerji, they don't look it at all.

I've never personally met many Afghani Sikhs, (or I couldn't tell if they were Afghani); however, I'm sure some Pathans did convert to Sikhi, a Muslim spy watching the 1st Khand Di Pahul became a Sikh. https://www.flickr.com/photos/nida12/5939447006 (I don't know if the people in the link are Pathans; however, they don't look like Indians or Punjabis).

[dallysingh101]

I've never personally met many Afghani Sikhs, (or I couldn't tell if they were Afghani); however, I'm sure some Pathans did convert to Sikhi, a Muslim spy watching the 1st Khand Di Pahul became a Sikh. https://www.flickr.com/photos/nida12/5939447006 (I don't know if the people in the link are Pathans; however, they don't look like Indians or Punjabis).

They might be Hazaras?

[Balkaar]

I've never personally met many Afghani Sikhs, (or I couldn't tell if they were Afghani); however, I'm sure some Pathans did convert to Sikhi, a Muslim spy watching the 1st Khand Di Pahul became a Sikh. https://www.flickr.com/photos/nida12/5939447006 (I don't know if the people in the link are Pathans; however, they don't look like Indians or Punjabis).

The Arora Sikhs have their fair skin in common with the Pathans, as in the picture you posted veerji.

But Pathans are dramatically taller than the majority of South Asians, usually of slim, wiry build with sharp features. Arora Sikhs are generally quite short, with rounder features. There may be some Pathan Sikhs of course.

It's my understanding that the Khatri/Arora Sikhs living in Afghanistan today are the descendants of migrants from the subcontinent.

They might be Hazaras?

Doubt that even more brother, Hazaras are descended from Mongols so they possess the flat faces and distinctive eyes of oriental peoples. You'll never find a Khatri Sikh looking like that.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

The Arora Sikhs have their fair skin in common with the Pathans, as in the picture you posted veerji.

But Pathans are dramatically taller than the majority of South Asians, usually of slim, wiry build with sharp features. Arora Sikhs are generally quite short, with rounder features. There may be some Pathan Sikhs of course.

It's my understanding that the Khatri/Arora Sikhs living in Afghanistan today are the descendants of migrants from the subcontinent

I haven't seen many indians with green eyes; however, I'll just end it here on those folk. But, why exactly would Aroras be short and round if they're Khatris, (I don't really expect that from a caste based on warriors and kings).

[Balkaar]

But, why exactly would Aroras be short and round if they're Khatris, (I don't really expect that from a caste based on warriors and kings).

I'm not sure if Khatri and Kshatriya are the same thing. Actually, nobody is. Their preferred line of occupation, namely the mercantile, would suggest otherwise. The Khatris claim they were warriors turned merchants.

Whatever the case, the Kshatriya abandoned dharam and their self-professed duty to protect the weak many centuries ago (I believe that Guru Sahib says as much, can't remember the tuk). It's little wonder that centuries of inertia and the merchant's lifestyle have caused them to lose most of their former martial bearing.

[Jonny101]

Afghan Sikhs are of Arora-Khatri community and are basically Punjabis settled in Afghanistan. This community has existed since the times of the Gurus since we know Sakhis of Kabuli Sangat visiting the Gurus. Bhai Nand Lal Jee was of this community. Many Khatri Arora Sikhs had even settled in Iran and central Asia. My Mama jee had traveled to Afghanistan and Iran on his way to Grrmany during the 70s. He said that he and his friend who was with him during the journey had found many Gurdwaras in Afghanistan and Iran being maintained by the Khatri Arora Sikhs. My Mama would stay in the Gurdwaras at night where ever they found one.

My Mama ji mentions that the Sikh Khatri Arora community of Iran were very generous and big hearted people who helped them anyway they could. But the Afghan Sikhs were not helpful nor generous to my Mamaji and his friend.

Afghan Sikhs are quite distinct from Pathans. Just from the facial features you can tell the difference. Pathans have these eagle eyes and hooked noses. Afghan Sikhs have more round features. But strangely the Khatris you see in Delhi have more sharper features even though they are they same pothohari people.

[JagsawSingh]

They might be Hazaras?

Do you know what an Hazara even looks like Dallysingh ?

They have chinese style eyes.

Arnt the afghans made up of different tribes tho? Not necessarily just aroras.

No Star Striker. The Afghan Sikhs are 100% Arora. No other Sikh group exists among them. Its an interesting facet of Sikh history actually because historically, in terms of business, the areas of the Sikh empire were divided up by the Khatris and the Aroras. Because the Aroras were considered 'lesser' khatris, the Khatris themselves had the whole of Punjab proper and potowar, Kashmir etc and gave the whole of the extreme north west of Punjab and the North West Frontier region (Pathan territory) for the Aroras. Thus, the Khatris had a business manopoly of Punjab proper and the the Aroras had a complete monopoly of the whole of the north west. Interestingly though, if one goes even further north west and by-passes the Arora areas and ventures into Iran, we find that it is the Khatris that had (and still have) the business monopoly in Iranian cities such as Zahedan and Tehran and no aroras exist there at all. But, for the purposes of this discussion, we must remember that virtually all of the Afghan Sikhs are Aroras. All of them.

I've never personally met many Afghani Sikhs, (or I couldn't tell if they were Afghani); however, I'm sure some Pathans did convert to Sikhi, a Muslim spy watching the 1st Khand Di Pahul became a Sikh. https://www.flickr.c...da12/5939447006 (I don't know if the people in the link are Pathans; however, they don't look like Indians or Punjabis).

The fact that you posted that link, jacfsing2, shows that you completely misunderstand Sikh history in those parts. You've posted a picture of Peshwari Sikhs in Pakistan without understanding that there is a very vast difference between the Afghan Sikhs and the Pakistani Sikhs of the north west frontier. The oonly real common denominator is the closeness and family ties between the arora sikhs of the cities of Jalalabad in Afghanistan and Peshawar in Pakistan. Both these comminuties, united by blood and marriage, are 100% pure arora, with no pathan blood in them. At the other end of the scale, we must remember that most of the Sikhs in Afghanistan are from the city of Kabul and that city (Kabul) is and always has been a distinctly Tajik and Uzbek city, so the local culture of the Sikhs is not pathan culture at all, as pathan influence in that city has always been minimal.

Now, lets cross back across the Khyber Pass into Pakistan and we then have to consider a totaly unique Arora Sikh community that exists deep inside the rural tribal mountain areas well away from the towns and cities. Amongst those arora Sikhs there is indeed some very heavy mixing with pathan blood and that can be clearly seen in their features and skin colour. These arora sikhs actually live and die by pathan culture and their surnames are also names that proclaim their ties to the local clans, such as Afridi. To understand this phenonema we have to first understand the murder madness of partition 1947. The arora sikh small time traders were already living amongst those pathan clans and as the pathans live and die by their official 'code of honour' called the 'Pakhtoonwali', that code of honour dictated that they MUST, absolutely MUST, treat those fellow tribal area dwellers as their 'Hamsaya', or guest. The Pakhtoonwali code of honour dictates that they have absolutely no choice but to protect the life and homes of those Sikhs. Each individual pathan clan in each individual pathan tribal area did exactly that and thats why none of those sikhs moved to India at partition.

The Arora Sikhs have their fair skin in common with the Pathans, as in the picture you posted veerji.

But Pathans are dramatically taller than the majority of South Asians, usually of slim, wiry build with sharp features. Arora Sikhs are generally quite short, with rounder features. There may be some Pathan Sikhs of course.

It's my understanding that the Khatri/Arora Sikhs living in Afghanistan today are the descendants of migrants from the subcontinen

Very good poing Balkar. Many of the arora Afghan Sikhs we see in Southall and Hounslow are indeed very very fair but, as you qute rightly say, they are also very short and stocky and that kind of body size and shape is virtually non-existent amongst the pathans.

Jagsaw really bro? I visit here to maybe learn something, maybe share something positive. Instead you've puked all over the forum again and we have to attend to the odor. It's even worse when you try to present the mess as intellect.

You've just very generally described the modus operandi of a wide array of the Punjabi diaspora.

Why are you even saying that buddasingh ? Do not be afraid of knowledge. There are, at this moment, a large proportion of the Muslim community who not only refuse to acknowedge that crimnal elements exists amongst them that have religious attire but also, as you have done, try and stamp on and shut up anyone that mentions it. Don't be so afraid of knowledge. It is only by acknowledging our shortcomings that we will be able to overcome them. We can't let things carry on as they are.

But, I'm extremely surprised you didn't understand anything I wrote and came to the conclusion that I'd "generally described the modus operandi of a wide array of the Punjabi doaspora"

How on earth can you come to that conclusion ? I mean how many other Sikhs groups do you know who marry their chacha's daughter ? Pooah's son.......Thaya's children ?

How many other Sikhs groups do you know who have a 'Sikh' culture whereby religion is only for the males and their wives MUST...as a RULE....have mega make-up, cut hair, blonde dyed hair, tatoos and dressed like a high class hooker ? (now you may think I'm joking here but ask any other west London Sikh. They'll tell you how every last one of these afghan sikhs has a dastar and yet every last one of them has a wife who is dressed and made up like a tart........This is because, in their extremely strange version of Sikhi, a woman has no business being a Sikh, i.e it is only for males, and she must, as per Muslim culture, make and keep herself 'sexy' to please her man)