Guru Nanak Was God?

[genie]

@Genie, what is your definition of Vaheguru and how do you view Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji?

Waheguru literally means wonderful lord teacher. As Gurbani states we can not even begin to define what Waheguru and extent of his abilities and powers so I am not going to define our lord exactly except to say briefly what we have been told by gurbani that Waheguru is the creator of all that exists of the seen and unseen, is in the past, present and future and knows all. Lives in all living beings and exists outside his creation also.

So from that concept we can understand that Waheguru is the the supreme soul that connects everything. God is not a human being but part of him (the soul) exists inside all human beings. In the light of Guru Nanak Dev Ji we should understand that the soul that Guru Ji was given had more powers and was more closer to Waheguru than any other humans ever wore. So when Guru ji passed away, as all humans beings do, his soul returned to Waheguru because waheguru had sent us Guru Ji to guide humanity to the correct religious path which was Sikhi away from fundamentalist islam, hindu superstitious beliefs and other incorrect illogical belief systems. This is how we should understand things and this is how we should answer muslims.

[harsharan000]

Waheguru literally means wonderful lord teacher. As Gurbani states we can not even begin to define what Waheguru and extent of his abilities and powers so I am not going to define our lord exactly except to say briefly what we have been told by gurbani that Waheguru is the creator of all that exists of the seen and unseen, is in the past, present and future and knows all. Lives in all living beings and exists outside his creation also.

So from that concept we can understand that Waheguru is the the supreme soul that connects everything. God is not a human being but part of him (the soul) exists inside all human beings. In the light of Guru Nanak Dev Ji we should understand that the soul that Guru Ji was given had more powers and was more closer to Waheguru than any other humans ever wore. So when Guru ji passed away, as all humans beings do, his soul returned to Waheguru because waheguru had sent us Guru Ji to guide humanity to the correct religious path which was Sikhi away from fundamentalist islam, hindu superstitious beliefs and other incorrect illogical belief systems. This is how we should understand things and this is how we should answer muslims.

Genie Jee,

your elaboration is quite good.

But going back to your statement in blue above.

Let us see it in this way:

Does not the Bani say: Sach Khand vaseh Nirankar.

So if only Wahiguru Nirankar is in Sach Khand, it also means that,apart from Him alone nobody is there.

Wahiguru is the Ocean, any soul drop on arriving there, merges in Him, and becomes one with Him without distinction.

We do not go to Sach Khand to maintain our false individual identity, thinking we shall meet this or that person there...it is not like going to a foreign country and expect to meet our fellowmen, friends, family members .... or even Guru sahibans.

All forms, sizes, shapes, colors, genders, exist as long as mind is present ..... which is alike up to the region of Braham.

Crossing Brahm region, then the soul entering Parbraham up to Sach Khand, leaves all the 3 bodies and mind behind, and with the power and grace of Shabad Guru, the wadbhagee soul reaches safe and sound in the lap our Father Wahiguru Akal Purukh.

This process can be visualized in the following manner:

Wahiguru is the Infinite Ocean, we souls are drops on the mayavee seashore of the creation. Now the huge and mighty Ocean, inspite of it inmensity can not reach the seashore to collect the drops there which are ready to return to its origin...

So the Ocean adopts the form of a wave, in order to reach the shore, and wrap those drops within itself.

Then what happens?

That wave, carrying those drops withinn, returns back into the Ocean.... and then something marvelous, beyond our comprehension happens, the drop, the wave and the Ocaen have become one without any distinctions.

So we can say, the Ocean is Wahiguru..and the Bhagat Jan or Guru Sahibans are the waves, who come into existence, as long as there are souls/drops, which cry sinecerly to return back to the Nijh Ghar,at the Lotus feet of Wahiguru.

Sat Sree Akal.

[Guest]

Sahib Sri guru gobind Singh Ji has himself said guru Nanak dev Ji is akaal purkh in Sri Sarbloh Granth sahib.

"Satguru Nanak Aap Parmeswar - Avtaar Lie Shubh Bans Pardhana". Sri sarbloh Granth.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

Sahib Sri guru goblins Singh Ji has himself said guru Nanak dev Ji is akaal purkh in Sri Sarbloh Granth sahib.

"Satguru Nanak Aap Parmeswar - Avtaar Lie Shubh Bans Pardhana". Sri sarbloh Granth.

Is there a translated version of Sri Sarbloh Granth?

[Guest]

Is there a translated version of Sri Sarbloh Granth?

Nahi ji

[N30S1NGH]

source - Absolute meaning of 'Nanak' in japji sahib teeka by sant gyani gurbachan singh khalsa bhindranwale pdf page- 186

Here are translations, note its not exact word by word but i have tried very best to provide essence meaning, please forgive me if there any mistakes mere mortals can only try so much:

Nanak Padh daie Arth (Meaning of Nanak term)

1. Nanak is free from counting/numbers/types. Nanak is free from duality, that which is non dual is Nanak

Jot roop har aap Guru nanak kahaieo ||

Vahiguru Jot roop which is awakened light/knowledge is Guru nanak

2. Just like how everything in this world has two sides, two positions, two- duality but nanak(non duality) is opposite of ank (duality)

3. Anek term deonates dulta 0 always moving/changing not constant

Nanak is which is free from duality, is ek ras (constant/permenant), free from counting/numbers

4. Na (means purakh - complete supreme being) An (free) AK (means dukh- sorrow) - complete supreme being which is sat(eternal) chit (pure consciousness/knowledge) anand (bliss) which is free from sarrow/sadness/misery that saroop(formless form) is real/absolute complete truth form, that formless form satguru nanak manifsted itself to save bhagats (devotee).

5. Na (Non) that which is all prevading in all. Alaf (which is ek ras - constant), non ( that which provides absolute nihal-hapiness to all) kaf (kanaet) that which gives complete contenment/grace to all is nanak

This meaning came from bhai nand lal ji - Tosifo Sanah

6. N (purak- complete being) An + ak - free from sadness/suffering. That (Ak) which is free from sadness/suffering (An) paremshvar is nanak.

7. (Noun) that which gives good attributes, that Alaf (ala roop (noun) gives nauyemat/graceful/contentment is Nanak.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

source - Absolute meaning of 'Nanak' in japji sahib teeka by sant gyani gurbachan singh khalsa bhindranwale pdf page- 186

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Here are translations, note its not exact word by word but i have tried very best to provide essence meaning, please forgive me if there any mistakes mere mortals can only try so much:

Nanak Padh daie Arth (Meaning of Nanak term)

1. Nanak is free from counting/numbers/types. Nanak is free from duality, that which is non dual is Nanak

Jot roop har aap Guru nanak kahaieo ||

Vahiguru Jot roop which is awakened light/knowledge is Guru nanak

2. Just like how everything in this world has two sides, two positions, two- duality but nanak(non duality) is opposite of ank (duality)

3. Anek term deonates dulta 0 always moving/changing not constant

Nanak is which is free from duality, is ek ras (constant/permenant), free from counting/numbers

4. Na (means purakh - complete supreme being) An (free) AK (means dukh- sorrow) - complete supreme being which is sat(eternal) chit (pure consciousness/knowledge) anand (bliss) which is free from sarrow/sadness/misery that saroop(formless form) is real/absolute complete truth form, that formless form satguru nanak manifsted itself to save bhagats (devotee).

5. Na (Non) that which is all prevading in all. Alaf (which is ek ras - constant), non ( that which provides absolute nihal-hapiness to all) kaf (kanaet) that which gives complete contenment/grace to all is nanak

This meaning came from bhai nand lal ji - Tosifo Sanah

6. N (purak- complete being) An + ak - free from sadness/suffering. That (Ak) which is free from sadness/suffering (An) paremshvar is nanak.

7. (Noun) that which gives good attributes, that Alaf (ala roop (noun) gives nauyemat/graceful/contentment is Nanak.

These all seem to describe Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji, (I don't see much of a conflict).

[Guest Jacfsing2]

Edited*

[jkvlondon]

Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji was Vaheguru, the verses about him being a servant is mostly humility. "ਗੁਰ ਨਾਨਕ ਦੇਵ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਰੂਪ ॥੮॥੧॥

Guru Nanak is embodiment of the Light of God.

(Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Ang 1192)" we can't compare Jesus to Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji because Jesus is only 1/3 of God, while Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji was 100% Vaheguru.

They found 1500 year old bible where Jesus refers to himself as das/servant of God not his son plus his brother James' gospel teaches that there is only Akal Purakh not the trinity that was introduced by pagan Romans.

[jkvlondon]

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