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seriously I doubt this story as Panj piarey will only allow amrit for children who have at least one adult supporting them in the home as sangat and in practicalities in home and acting a responsible adult in that respect.

Your parents don't have to be Amritdhari for you to Chack Amrit, (I don't know where you got that theory from?)
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Your parents don't have to be Amritdhari for you to Chack Amrit, (I don't know where you got that theory from?)

when I had amrit myself and when my sons went , both times Panj asked for the responsible adult of the home , if I hadn't spoken for my kids then they were not going to receive amrit without a gursikh of the family, also my parents spoke for me I was nine, remember we are talking about a kid under sixteen.

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when I had amrit myself and when my sons went , both times Panj asked for the responsible adult of the home , if I hadn't spoken for my kids then they were not going to receive amrit without a gursikh of the family, also my parents spoke for me I was nine, remember we are talking about a kid under sixteen.

I honestly haven't heard of this system before. (What if someone born into a Non-Sikh family like Bhagat Puran Singh wanted to be Sikh?) Is this some Jatha thing?
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I honestly haven't heard of this system before. (What if someone born into a Non-Sikh family like Bhagat Puran Singh wanted to be Sikh?) Is this some Jatha thing?

couldn't say but it is good because unlike adults who can go find sangat kids need it at home and close at hand , otherwise they go off track with rehit then get persuaded that it is not for them easily by manmat people. Bhagat Puran SIngh had sangat of other gursikhs ... most people do who have amrit , those who have come from other faiths usually are older and get sangat as a prerequisite to learn about the faith before making the final step

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If he (the child in Jagsaw's situation) feels so strongly about it.....

:wow: He doesn't. Who said he does ?

He's more than happy with it all. Its not him who came on here and said anything about it. That was me. Its me who felt strongly that a bunch of Sikhs on a discussion forum mocking a muslim's religion because some in that community criticised a schoolgirl for eating food prepared by Sikhs, without realising the harsh realities far closer to home. So, rather confused to how you came to the conclusion that the little boy feels strongly about one thing or another or sees any issues

he should go find a job....

No he shouldn't. He's 10 years old. Its illegal for 10 year olds to work andd even more illegal - not to mention immoral - for grown ups to encourage small children to leave school and go work in warehouses.

and learn how to cook.

He does. How else do you think he eats when his religion states he can't eat from the hands and from the same plate as someone not like him ?

Once again, you seem to be forgetting that it was me who has an issue with that sort of thing...not him. You seem to have it in for this boy. First suggesting he work in sweatshops and now doubting his cooking skills.

Plus, he should insist his mother doesn't wash or iron his clothes, in-case she pollutes his garments with her "unclean" touch.

Do you have a personal issue with this small boy MisterSingh or are you against the religious orders of the Gurdwaras and parcharaks ? You seem to hate this boy with a passion, to the extent that you're even willing to make up extra religious rules and regulations just for him.

Gurdwaras and parcharks, in their zeal to follow rituals that man (not Guru ji) made up, force this boy to eat separate from his mother and yet you see fit to crriticise the boy :nono: Have a quiet word with yourself MisterSingh.

And as for you jkvlondon:

seriously I doubt this story as Panj piarey will only allow amrit for children who have at least one adult supporting them in the home as sangat and in practicalities in home and acting a responsible adult in that respect.

:stupidme: You really don't get out much do you girl ? There's Gurdwaras up and down the countrry and all over the world giving Amrit to kids. Indeed, Nirvair Khalsa Jatha have personally been responsible for thousands of UK youngsters between 10 and 13 taking Amrit telling them its the best way to get their dad to stop going to the pub and eating meat. You know so little....and yet you "doubt so much". :biggrin2:

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:wow: He doesn't. Who said he does ?

He's more than happy with it all. Its not him who came on here and said anything about it. That was me. Its me who felt strongly that a bunch of Sikhs on a discussion forum mocking a muslim's religion because some in that community criticised a schoolgirl for eating food prepared by Sikhs, without realising the harsh realities far closer to home. So, rather confused to how you came to the conclusion that the little boy feels strongly about one thing or another or sees any issues

No he shouldn't. He's 10 years old. Its illegal for 10 year olds to work andd even more illegal - not to mention immoral - for grown ups to encourage small children to leave school and go work in warehouses.

He does. How else do you think he eats when his religion states he can't eat from the hands and from the same plate as someone not like him ?

Once again, you seem to be forgetting that it was me who has an issue with that sort of thing...not him. You seem to have it in for this boy. First suggesting he work in sweatshops and now doubting his cooking skills.

Do you have a personal issue with this small boy MisterSingh or are you against the religious orders of the Gurdwaras and parcharaks ? You seem to hate this boy with a passion, to the extent that you're even willing to make up extra religious rules and regulations just for him.

Gurdwaras and parcharks, in their zeal to follow rituals that man (not Guru ji) made up, force this boy to eat separate from his mother and yet you see fit to crriticise the boy :nono: Have a quiet word with yourself MisterSingh.

And as for you jkvlondon:

:stupidme: You really don't get out much do you girl ? There's Gurdwaras up and down the countrry and all over the world giving Amrit to kids. Indeed, Nirvair Khalsa Jatha have personally been responsible for thousands of UK youngsters between 10 and 13 taking Amrit telling them its the best way to get their dad to stop going to the pub and eating meat. You know so little....and yet you "doubt so much". :biggrin2:

maybe they do , but my personal experience is what it is , why make it harder for a child if there someone who's been there and can encourage ? that's all ...besides I think telling kids that they can influence the older generation so easily is kind of putting them in a pressure (if the folks don't change am I doing something wrong)...the Panj and Gursikhs should be advising that the youngsters should try be the type of Gursikhs they want their family to be, and to put their faith in Guru ji and leave it all in his hands .

I had amrit at nine , my boys at 10 and eight (little one in utero), I do know plenty plenty abilakhees are children and it doesn't surprise me if there are even more now then before because SIkhi has started to revv up but support is so important on our path .

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