Why Nanaksar Ragiis Are Celibate

[simran345]

You come to a conclusion....Sant are celibate therefore they reach a higher stage.........yet you provide no evidence to show Sant's who were or are celibate are at higher stage (holier) according to Gurbani. You first have to prove celibacy by Gurbani standards is higher in spirituality than a householder and then prove a Sant who is celibate is higher than a householder Sant. You have not provided one piece of evidence. Let's remind you, Bhagat Dhanna Jatt ji actually asked for a wife through Gurbani. Listen to Aarti and the Shabad is sung everyday. Bhagat ji wanted to live a householder lifestyle. If living a householder lifestyle was lower according to Gurbani, Bhagat ji would not have asked for a wife from Akal Purakh. No where in Gurbani does Guru Sahib say celibacy is the highest stage. The people who believe in the vedas actually say celibacy is the highest stage. Guru Sahib, whether talking to a celibate person or householder says to focus on Naam, take the Guru's guidance and make Naam your life. State of liberation is not reserved for anyone special like you say for celibate Sants. Sri Anand Sahib says to all Sikhs, come Sikhs and sing Satguru's Bani. The instructions are for everyone, including Sants and Bhagats. Everyone is under the order of Satguru. Those who follow his order receive his blessing. You nitpick at Anand Sahib da paath. First you quote the ninth pauri. If Sant here meant Sant in the form of one person who has reached the state of Sant (conquered mind) and not calling the collective sangat Sant. Then why latter on in the pauri is the Guru instructing the Sant to conquer his mind by giving his body, mind and wealth to Guru Sahib? Sants already follow the Hukam of Akal Purakh, yet Guru Sahib is instructing Sants to follow his order???

Adding to this, who are we to say who is higher stage, who is lower, according to celibacy alone? Only God can make that judgement. Baki, meri mat thori a, but that's the understanding I get from Gurbani.

[MisterrSingh]

Celibate good times, c'mon!

[simran345]

Celibate good times, c'mon!

Lol trust you to come out with something like this. ?

[sikhni777]

Just when I was wondering why people dont post secular videos on here, it happens !!!

[simran345]

Of course, what marriage can have more bliss than the marriage to Paramatma ji? What can we expect from human beings, what can they give us in the form of a spouse? This is why accepting Paramatma ji as your spouse is beneficial. There is no problem with gristi as well, if you can control yourself.

ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ਛੰਤ ਦਖਣੀ

बिलावलु महला १ छंत दखणी

Bilāval mėhlā 1 cẖẖanṯ ḏakẖ▫ṇī

Bilaaval, First Mehl, Chhant, Dakhnee:

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

ੴ सतिगुर प्रसादि ॥

Ik▫oaʼnkār saṯgur parsāḏ.

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

ਮੁੰਧ ਨਵੇਲੜੀਆ ਗੋਇਲਿ ਆਈ ਰਾਮ ॥

मुंध नवेलड़ीआ गोइलि आई राम ॥

Munḏẖ navelṛī▫ā go▫il ā▫ī rām.

The young, innocent soul-bride has come to the pasture lands of the world.

ਮਟੁਕੀ ਡਾਰਿ ਧਰੀ ਹਰਿ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਈ ਰਾਮ ॥

मटुकी डारि धरी हरि लिव लाई राम ॥

Matukī dār ḏẖarī har liv lā▫ī rām.

Laying aside her pitcher of worldly concern, she lovingly attunes herself to her Lord.

ਲਿਵ ਲਾਇ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਉ ਰਹੀ ਗੋਇਲਿ ਸਹਜਿ ਸਬਦਿ ਸੀਗਾਰੀਆ ॥

लिव लाइ हरि सिउ रही गोइलि सहजि सबदि सीगारीआ ॥

Liv lā▫e har si▫o rahī go▫il sahj sabaḏ sīgārī▫ā.

She remains lovingly absorbed in the pasture of the Lord, automatically embellished with the Word of the Shabad.

ਕਰ ਜੋੜਿ ਗੁਰ ਪਹਿ ਕਰਿ ਬਿਨੰਤੀ ਮਿਲਹੁ ਸਾਚਿ ਪਿਆਰੀਆ ॥

कर जोड़ि गुर पहि करि बिनंती मिलहु साचि पिआरीआ ॥

Kar joṛ gur pėh kar binanṯī milhu sācẖ pi▫ārī▫ā.

With her palms pressed together, she prays to the Guru, to unite her with her True Beloved Lord.

ਧਨ ਭਾਇ ਭਗਤੀ ਦੇਖਿ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਮ ਕਾਮ ਕ੍ਰੋਧੁ ਨਿਵਾਰਿਆ ॥

धन भाइ भगती देखि प्रीतम काम क्रोधु निवारिआ ॥

Ḏẖan bẖā▫e bẖagṯī ḏekẖ parīṯam kām kroḏẖ nivāri▫ā.

Seeing His bride's loving devotion, the Beloved Lord eradicates unfulfilled sexual desire and unresolved anger.

ਨਾਨਕ ਮੁੰਧ ਨਵੇਲ ਸੁੰਦਰਿ ਦੇਖਿ ਪਿਰੁ ਸਾਧਾਰਿਆ ॥੧॥

नानक मुंध नवेल सुंदरि देखि पिरु साधारिआ ॥१॥

Nānak munḏẖ navel sunḏar ḏekẖ pir sāḏẖāri▫ā. ||1||

O Nanak, the young, innocent bride is so beautiful; seeing her Husband Lord, she is comforted. ||1||

Kaur ji, it is quite obvious that he is an avatar of Vishnu ji, so it no surprise.

I think some of you are getting confused between celibacy and the soul being married to God.

" There is no problem with gristi as well, if you can control yourself."

Control yourself from what Preetji? From being married, kaam, having kids or do you mean not getting drowned by duniadhari love?

What is the meaning of Anand Karaj? Maybe one should also take a look at the explanations of that too.

[KhoonKaBadlaKhoon]

Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji left Anandpur Sahib after request by Sangat on order of Punj Piyaras.

Bhindranwale should have known better !

Lol, youve got some explaining to do, buddy. What are you trying to say?

[sikhni777]

Sggs ang 78 explains the marriage of a Gurmukh to God. The stages and language all refer to marriage terms like dehej as well which for the gurmukh is naam. I don't think it is referred to as anand karaj but as veyah of the gurmukh.

[JagsawSingh]

There is a right way to live life and a wrong way. There are people that want a great future for Sikhi and then there are those that are more interested in finding short term ways of disguising their secret / latent homosexuality / perverseness. Lets analyse one of the ways...Celibacy:

Lets all assume that the proponents of celibacy are right and of course, as we all want to do whats right, we all follow their example and be celibate. Lets follow it step by step:

1. We all become celibate
2. Nobody's getting married and making babies anymore so, before long, the population of Sikhs worldwide goes down to about 4 million.
3. We carry on being ceibate and then, a bit further down the line, a newspaper will write an article about the last 'Sikh' left alive in the world....some random 88 year old in Ludhiana.
4. He dies of old age and then thats it.....no more Sikhs left in the entire world.

Wow. What a wonderfull future the celibacy walleh here are proposing.

[simran345]

Sggs ang 78 explains the marriage of a Gurmukh to God. The stages and language all refer to marriage terms like dehej as well which for the gurmukh is naam. I don't think it is referred to as anand karaj but as veyah of the gurmukh.

I didn't say that Sikhni777 penji, nor did I refer to Ang 78 of SGGS. But where does it mention of being a celibate in Ang 78?

When a Sikh couple married, they don't just marry each other. This is what I was referring to:

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/78275-anand-karaj-katha-videos-english/?hl=%2Banand+%2Bkaraj

[Jonny101]

There is a right way to live life and a wrong way. There are people that want a great future for Sikhi and then there are those that are more interested in finding short term ways of disguising their secret / latent homosexuality / perverseness. Lets analyse one of the ways...Celibacy:

Lets all assume that the proponents of celibacy are right and of course, as we all want to do whats right, we all follow their example and be celibate. Lets follow it step by step:

• We all become celibate
• Nobody's getting married and making babies anymore so, before long, the population of Sikhs worldwide goes down to about 4 million.
• We carry on being ceibate and then, a bit further down the line, a newspaper will write an article about the last 'Sikh' left alive in the world....some random 88 year old in Ludhiana.
• He dies of old age and then thats it.....no more Sikhs left in the entire world.

Wow. What a wonderfull future the celibacy walleh here are proposing.

Exactly why celibacy has absolutely nothing to do with Sikhi. Never has and never will. Gurus and the Bhagat Sahiban have taught us by leading by example. When they were on earth many Hindu Sanyasis would question them of how they can live Grahisti jeevan i.e. having a wife and be father to many children yet still follow parmarth, path to God.

But repeatedly our Gurus told them that celibacy, mon dharna(staying silent), going off to the mountains and jungles will not bring their minds to control. Only Naam can do that which can be done while living grahisti jeevan. And to aid us in that Guru jee gave us a spiritual discipline called rehit which if followed by a Grahist he/she can become like the lotus flower which remains beautiful and uneffected by the dirty water around it.

And you bring in a good point. If we all become celibate and stop having children what would become of the Guru's Panth? We would destroy it which would be a disservice to the Gurus.