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On 5/19/2020 at 5:32 AM, H908 said:

The thing is that most ppl that wear starched paggs take them off like hats. 
 

so theyre nanga-sir during the night. One time my grandpa had to leave his house at night and because he wears starched, he was nanga-sir and had to find another pagg the next day. 

how does this make sense paaji? If he had to leave the house then surely a starched dastar would have been better? He could have just put it on and quickly left without tying it/ carrying it around. 

Also just because you tie a starched dastar doesn't NECISSARILY mean nanga-sirf during the night; you can still cover ur head most people don't sleep in their main dastar anyway. 

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On 5/19/2020 at 2:49 AM, AkalkiFauj said:

I would say that starched Paghs are better for the Kenyan style. It only becomes a topi if you treat it as one (e.g: take of like a hat rather than not doing the larh to larh).

why do u say starch is better for the Kenyan style paaji?

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On 4/28/2024 at 9:48 AM, VSinghz7 said:

 

And dont make this a caste thing I’m Rajput Jatt sikh (not an ounce of Tarkhan or anything else) and we all starch our INDIAN style punjabi paggs (patiala shahi), but respect them as our crowns and our literal lives.

 

I know a Rajput Uncle who is a councillor and he wears the regular panjabi pagh. I wouldn't know he is a rajput because coul easily fit into any panjabi sikh or jatt background. But I can tell from his surname.  However when I look at proper Rajputs they were warriors and kings with those kind of paghs, similar to wearing dumallas or shahi turbans, some looked like Nihang Singhs! And Rajput background sikhs were involved in shastarvidiya training with Guru Hargobind and Guru Gobind Singh, as well as becoming their sikhs.    A rajput background sikh has double responsibilities to maintain turban and also training shastar. I think a Nihang Singh type look is more suitable for a sikh from Rajput background than any patiala shahi or average panjabi pagh

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