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What has that got to do with anything being discussed?

We're talking about pushing non-fighters into a fighting unit of Singhs whose sole aim was defeat the enemy and win battles. If some limp-wristed kavi (no offence to him) lined up alongside me in a battle situation, and it was presumed he had my back in a situation where I required support in a fight, I'd be pretty annoyed at the fact that I was guaranteed to die if my survival depended on the shivering wreck next to me. Dying the glorious death of a martyr is all well and good, but if the aim of war is to win battles and inflict damage on the enemy, then you have to be alive to push the enemy towards defeat. If everyone is getting martyred left, right, and centre, then that's great for their souls, but not so great for the act of winning a war.

And before anyone posts the "Chiriyaa toh Baaj" bachan, which I believe in wholeheartedly, there's also the practical requirement of winning battles and defeating the enemy, which is a feat made possible only through the efforts of battle-hardened fighters and expert strategic planning; that's something we forget when we get all philosophical and metaphysical about the history of our Guru Sahibs. Without preparation, training, education, and skill, you CANNOT win a physical encounter. With the hand of God over your head, impossible feats are absolutely possible, but if that were the only requirement to excel in a particular field (in this case, war) there would've been no need to mold Sikhs into a martial race. A succession of sehaj paaths for a few hundred years would've done the job.

If you ask modern fighter, they will tell you about the facts of someone grabbing your beard and stopping you from doing anything productive. Also all groups who are involved in constant fighting recommend strong meat diets, (only P.C. people believe you can fight on a sole vegan diet), I promote meat more than anybody on this site: it's the way really siphai type people live: NIHANGS! I will never recommend shaving beards; however, it is counterproductive in a fight, (without liberal p.c. rules), I can show actual images of monas grabbing the dhari of GurSikhs. Sikhi is unchangeable which is why we have the power of Bir Ras which can make the otherwise weak strong. Bir Ras is the answer, to power despite many handicaps in battle.
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If you ask modern fighter, they will tell you about the facts of someone grabbing your beard and stopping you from doing anything productive. Also all groups who are involved in constant fighting recommend strong meat diets, (only P.C. people believe you can fight on a sole vegan diet), I promote meat more than anybody on this site: it's the way really siphai type people live: NIHANGS! I will never recommend shaving beards; however, it is counterproductive in a fight, (without liberal p.c. rules), I can show actual images of monas grabbing the dhari of GurSikhs. Sikhi is unchangeable which is why we have the power of Bir Ras which can make the otherwise weak strong. Bir Ras is the answer, to power despite many handicaps in battle.

That doesn't make sense man. Guru Hargobind ji and Guru Gobind Singh ji both used paid mercenaries at various times. If what you are saying is true then they wouldn't have needed to. They could have just instilled the version of 'bir-ras' you are talking about within the Sikh sangat.

We all know (or should) that prior to battles dasmesh pita spend a considerable amount of time training Sikhs in various ways with hunting and mock battles.

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That doesn't make sense man. Guru Hargobind ji and Guru Gobind Singh ji both used paid mercenaries at various times. If what you are saying is true then they wouldn't have needed to. They could have just instilled the version of 'bir-ras' you are talking about within the Sikh sangat. We all know (or should) that prior to battles dasmesh pita spend a considerable amount of time training Sikhs in various ways with hunting and mock battles.

Most of what I said was about grabbing Singh's dharis as well as me actually saying positive things about Nihangs whom everyone seems to insult on this website. In modern day you will need a lot of meat to be strong, (I used to be all veggie, but now I've been more practical).
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Most of what I said was about grabbing Singh's dharis as well as me actually saying positive things about Nihangs whom everyone seems to insult on this website. In modern day you will need a lot of meat to be strong, (I used to be all veggie, but now I've been more practical).

Dude, I don't see how that relates to the OP? But if it something you needed to get off your chest, then consider it done now.

People will have different views on nihungs in terms of their preparedness for modern day type conflicts, deal with it.

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Dude, I don't see how that relates to the OP? But if it something you needed to get off your chest, then consider it done now. People will have different views on nihungs in terms of their preparedness for modern day type conflicts, deal with it.

I'm honestly more disappointed that whenever I say anything pro-nihang the topic gets locked basically immediately, but some people, (Trump trolls), get to spread their hate and the mods are just going to ignore it.
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Just to share and make the point that not all people were confined to single roles:


Bhai Hardas (Haridas) was a resident of Sur Singh, a large village in the Lahore district (now Taran Taran); he became a close confidant of Guru Gobind Singh. He prepared an early recension of Guru Granth Sahib. This manuscript was dated 1682 AD and completed at Damdama at Anandpur Sahib. This was one of the earliest manuscripts which also contained the saloks of Guru Tegh Bahadur. It was kept at Sikh Reference Library, Manuscript No. 511, with the description, Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji de Likhari Bhai Hardas vali birh.

This manuscript was considered special as it contained the saloks of Guru Tegh Bahadur inserted into the birh not long after Gobind Singh became Guru. The names of the nine Gurus were recorded in the colophon as well the manuscript bearing a Nishan of Guru Gobind Singh. It was destroyed in Operation Blue Star in 1984.

Whilst the name of Bhai Mani Singh and Baba Deep Singh is well known in the preparation of Sikh scriptures the name of Bhai Hardas is not. He was a Hazuri Likhari meaning he was official scribe of the Durbar of the Tenth Guru. Bhai Hardas was involved in the preparation of other Guru Granth manuscripts and pothis.

This also included scribing Dasam Patshah Ka Granth (Sri Dasam Granth Sahib). He was one several likharis who wrote the first recension of the Granth known as the Anandpuri bir. His name appears within this early manuscript.

Interestingly he also fought in the battles with Guru Gobind Singh and Baba Banda Singh Bahadur. He was martyred in the battle of Bajwara (Hoshiarpur) in 1715 AD.

http://www.sikhscholar.co.uk/2012/05/ramgharia-dynasty-bhai-hardas-and-jassa.html

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