Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
13Mirch

Societal Segregation Versus Sikhi

Recommended Posts

Quantavirus your personal attacks against Balkar are completely unnecessary. He's outclassing you by a country mile in style in being patient with your personal attack. In addition, unlike you, he's actually making a responsive and on topic point.

Are you multiple people using this account? I recall interesting respectful views that in the past that seem to have come from a different person.

Ok, where did I go wrong? I'll reread my post to see where I went wrong. I try my best to not be offensive. I'll improve and be more respectful. Sorry.

I resent being 'outclassed'. LOL!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Reread what I wrote very, very slowly as you have problems with your reading comprehension skills. If that doesn't get work, get someone to read my post and explain it to you.

WJKK WJKF

I did read your post accurately, but for the benefit of doubt il read it once again for you as you suggested.

I'd suggest you read what gurbani has to say about nimrata and how sikhs should address one another. Mithi jabaan will get you along way brother.

I also think you should read my previous post one more time and maybe consider stop calling yourself a sikh and start calling your self just a jatt and a worshiper of your caste and clan leader. Be an embassodor in what you believe in, not in something half heartedly because to be a sikh, you first have to give your head. I don't think you fit the bill because you can't even give your ancestry up.

Jatt claim Dhan Dhan Shaheed Baba Deep Singh ji as a jatt and not Khalsa. When will we hear the jatt claiming Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale ji as a jatt and not Khalsa?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

WJKK WJKF

I did read your post accurately, but for the benefit of doubt il read it once again for you as you suggested.

I'd suggest you read what gurbani has to say about nimrata and how sikhs should address one another. Mithi jabaan will get you along way brother.

I also think you should read my previous post one more time and maybe consider stop calling yourself a sikh and start calling your self just a jatt and a worshiper of your caste and clan leader. Be an embassodor in what you believe in, not in something half heartedly because to be a sikh, you first have to give your head. I don't think you fit the bill because you can't even give your ancestry up.

Jatt claim Dhan Dhan Shaheed Baba Deep Singh ji as a jatt and not Khalsa. When will we hear the jatt claiming Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale ji as a jatt and not Khalsa?

They already do.

WJKK WJKF

Obviously the other groups you mentioned do.....without going into the usual debate that's the usual caste based issue again. But when have you watched a film with a "Tharkaan sikh" (a contradiction in itself) being the pinnacle of what a sikh should be?

However no group claims sikhi to be their own more than the jatts. You only hear jatts claiming mahaan shaheed as jat and not Khalsa. Just look at the topic to do with the film "Ardas" a few weeks back...and watch the YouTube clip of ghughi and his views on Shaheed Baba Deep Singh as "Jatt" lol.

It's not the number of jatts what causes the superiority complex, it's what they think and say before and after accepting Amrit what is the problem. If one believes they are "better" than someone genetically and ethically just because of their ancestry, it's wrong right?

That's the problem. Alil like the Nazi Ideology of the supremacy of the Arian Race.

The point is not preponderance, it is believed they converted en-mass for political prominence but the point is answering their myths regarding how they influenced Sikhi.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Fyi not all Kshytria are khatri, such as Rajput (& Gujjars) etc.

YAAAAAAAAWN! Im well aware of who YOU hindus consider as 2nd tier (kshatriyas) in ur beloved caste system, such as rajputs/aroras/bhatias/khatris.....

However that doesnt include gujjars. Anyways go back to sleep, and go and join a hindu forum. When sikh issues r on the agenda, u r NOWHERE to be seen, yet any discussion on hindu animal gods and ur beloved caste system, u in there like a shot.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

When there are Sikh issues I have nothing to say because what I wanted to say has already been said by another respected member (such as yourself). Gujjars are Kshatriya btw, I know this because I have seen it listed as such in ads.

Lol

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Quantivus,


"No. Actually YOU are missing the point. Let's assume Jatts do consider themselves superior and you are right. How does that affect you? What actions have they taken in regards to feeling superior affected your well being?"


Jats do consider themselves superior - no assumption required.


Your question was, how does this affect me?


Here's the answer. As much as pork is to a muslim, beef to a hindu, hierarchy/supremacy of caste is to a Sikh. It's anti-Sikh to it's very foundation. If something is anti-Sikh, it does affect my well being. In fact, such views of caste-based superiority should be confined to either hinduism, or the 17th century, or both. They certainly have no place in Sikhi.


It makes me laugh frankly, that certain forum members who are supposedly the most "anti-India/anti-hindu" or alternatively, "pro-khalistani", are simultaneously the most "pro-caste" and by default, undercover hindu's by another name. Oh, the irony.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

WJKK WJKF

I did read your post accurately, but for the benefit of doubt il read it once again for you as you suggested.

I'd suggest you read what gurbani has to say about nimrata and how sikhs should address one another. Mithi jabaan will get you along way brother.

I also think you should read my previous post one more time and maybe consider stop calling yourself a sikh and start calling your self just a jatt and a worshiper of your caste and clan leader. Be an embassodor in what you believe in, not in something half heartedly because to be a sikh, you first have to give your head. I don't think you fit the bill because you can't even give your ancestry up.

Jatt claim Dhan Dhan Shaheed Baba Deep Singh ji as a jatt and not Khalsa. When will we hear the jatt claiming Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale ji as a jatt and not Khalsa?

You are not a Sant/Baba so give your huge ego a rest. You have no authority to decide who is a Sikh and who isn't. Instead of talking to me about Gurbani you should check your own ego and arrogance as it is in the gutter.

As for Jatts claiming a historical figure as a Jatt and not Khalsa, that is not my concern. There is no way you can police everybody's behavior. It is simply not possible. I have met Sikhs who say Jatts are stupid in my face. That's life. If you have a problem with Jatt behavior, go open your own Gurdwara or visit one that is more to your liking. It is not possible to force everyone to display good behavior. And by attacking them openly, you are only inflaming the situation and making it worse.

Jatts themselves are not a uniform group. There was a time Malwais and Majhe Jatts could not get along, so they opened their own Gurdwaras. Even today, not everybody is 100% agreement in how a Gurdwara is run. If in countries like Australia and NZ, the Asian Sikhs would have their own Gurdwara and the those from India would their own. The Asians don't like to sit on the floor for langar so they have their own Gurdwaras.

There is always going to be divisions among people.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

why do different castes think there from a diff race LOL i mean a jatt looks the exact same as any other punjabi so i don't understand why there so much tension based on a surname we all singhs

You need to expand your horizon beyond your bedroom... Whilst I agree that Jatts are not 100% homogeneous, a strong percentage still are, and accordingly it is very easy to distinguish from a sample group whom are conclusively Jatt.

The Jatt obsession by the masses is quite a insight into the psyche of the non-Jatt.

Anyhow I digress... Jatts should be put down en mass like the rabid dogs and scum they are, only then will the "Khalsa" panth be truly pure.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Oh my! Jatts are rabid dogs and scum as well as being nazi supremicists.

And it is Jatts that have the chip on the shoulder?

Moderators, is it not strange that if the language used here was used against anyone else this forum, the thread would have been closed. But since it is Jatts, then it is fair game.

What has been learnt from these posts? That most Sikhs of non Jatt Sikhs hate Sikhs of Jatt background and would like them to disappear from the face of the earth.

I recall going into an Afghani shop once and saw 2 Afghanis arguing and one of them puffed his chest out. The other one told him to stop acting like a Jatt.

It seems that the Jatts social dominance is a big problem for others. Perhaps Sikhs of Jatt background show more chardi-kala ness and others cannot stand it.

I think that all Jatts of Sikhi should leave enmass and should let the Khatris,Ramgharias, Sainis,Kambohs, Lobanas, Batras, Mazhabi fight amongst themselves.

Then it would be interesting if the caste issue is a Jatt problem or a wider problem.

I would suspect the latter.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It seems that the Jatts social dominance is a big problem for others. Perhaps Sikhs of Jatt background show more chardi-kala ness and others cannot stand it.

I think that all Jatts of Sikhi should leave enmass and should let the Khatris,Ramgharias, Sainis,Kambohs, Lobanas, Batras, Mazhabi fight amongst themselves.

Then it would be interesting if the caste issue is a Jatt problem or a wider problem.

I would suspect the latter.

I actually believe that is actually the case here. IMHO Jatts do show more 'chardi-kala ness'. They are the most generous and honest ones. They have unity the others don't have. They're able to come together when the need arises. What we are witnessing here is envy and people vying for power. This is what is driving them nuts.

Jatts are also the most anti Hindu among all Sikhs. If a Sikh starts talking about similarities between Hinduism and Sikhism, 99.9% it's a non Jatt. If not for the Jatts, there would be a good chance we would end up being be another Hindu sect. Jatts truly embraced our Gurus teachings wholeheartedly.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I actually believe that is actually the case here. IMHO Jatts do show more 'chardi-kala ness'. They are the most generous and honest ones. They have unity the others don't have. They're able to come together when the need arises. What we are witnessing here is envy and people vying for power. This is what is driving them nuts.

Jatts are also the most anti Hindu among all Sikhs. If a Sikh starts talking about similarities between Hinduism and Sikhism, 99.9% it's a non Jatt. If not for the Jatts, there would be a good chance we would end up being be another Hindu sect. Jatts truly embraced our Gurus teachings wholeheartedly.

Jatt-Envy is the elephant in the room here.

If you have watched Animal Farm (originally a book by George Orwell), I think you would get an idea of some of the prevailing attitudes. Some may find it uncomfortable but necessary to understand none the less.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
Sign in to follow this  



  • Topics

  • Posts

    • That's 2 different things. India does not have one identity because every state has it's own linguistic and cultural identity. But the languages of each state developed in that region and are not foreign. Pakistan punjab on the other hand does not even have a punjabi newspaper! Neither do they speak punjabi in the punjab government! Or in the schools. They paki punjabis speak urdu.  Pakistan's national anthem is persian Indian heroes are all home grown, the rajputs, marathas, ashoka etc. And they all were south Asian not foreigners. Indians celebrating south asians and pakistanis celebrating the achievements of foreigners is 2 different things! Punjabi developed over a 1000 years ago, from what I read it developed in the central punjab region lahore/amritsar. Gurmukhi script was written in punjab. Indians do not have a identity crisis, Pakistanis do,  there is no comparison. Indians are now even changing the names of cities that the mughals changed back to the original indian names.  The culture of india and pakistan even b4 partition was different. Only punjabis from the Gurdaspur region, people of the thar desert and the Sindhis had similarities, the rest of the subcontinent was/is culturally very different and diverse.   
    • There will always be violence there due to Afghanistan. Foreign countries won't invest there as much. They were actually ahead of India in the 1970s and 1980s but went backwards due to General Zia Ul Haq who made it a backwards islamic sharia hellhole. I don't see them ever having a space program. Remember these are the people who believe that the meteorite in mecca comes from heaven. Even their top scientists think that. They even had a nobel prize winner for physics but they disowned him because he was an Ahmedi. With a mentality like that they will never get anywhere.
    • Well Pakistani economy is growing as well...not as fast as India's, but its made significant progress. Long way to go (for both nations), however. 
    • Economy is usually the most important thing for a nation. It's the reason why we're sitting here in the UK and Canada instead of Punjab.
    • Chandigarh was special to me in the 90s because it had sit down toilets instead of the squat ones lol.  Unless you have relatives there, there is no point visiting unless you want to go to malls that sell the same things as you get in the west. It is however a nice place to live. I don't know why Punjabi singers and Punjabi movies big it up so much, it's not a Punjabi city at all, the vast majority of the people are Hindi speakers or ya ya types. It's a miniature Delhi without the history. Since my nana and nana passed away I've got no inclination to ever visit again. Anandpur Sahib really is different to the rest of Punjab, so much more peaceful, yes I went to Baba Gurdita high up, Kiratpur and also that muslim shrine Buddan Shah where they claim Guru Nanak asked for milk from a sufi saint and said he would come back a hundred years later in a different incarnation (Guru Hargobind) to take the rest. It seems like a made up story to me. I wanted to see the Virasat E Khalsa museum, I remember when it was in the process of being built in 2000 but I never got time to visit it in 2018 when I last went. Did you go there? I will have to visit Machiwara the next time I am there. Himachal is beautiful, great scenery and monkeys galore.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Use