Who Is Responsible For The Hate Towards Dasam Granth?

[Guest Jacfsing2]

I wanted to know why many manmukhs just started the hatred towards Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji's bani? (What is it with these people?) Many Mahapurukhs from a variety of Jathas followed Guru Sahib to the end, and know many Pakhands are getting popular for denouncing Guru Sahib, when was that the direction people were going?

[WaljinderSingh 834]

I wanted to know why many manmukhs just started the hatred towards Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji's bani? (What is it with these people?) Many Mahapurukhs from a variety of Jathas followed Guru Sahib to the end, and know many Pakhands are getting popular for denouncing Guru Sahib, when was that the direction people were going?

Dasam bani nindaks have been around since baba Banda Singh jis time. Basically they are atheists. British bought some them to promote their anti-Dasam agenda so that Sikhs would not get the bir ras and become rebels. Same happened post 84.

[S1ngh 1,927]

Typically All Ludhiana Missionary College certification graduates -

Ragi Darshan (Excommunicated)

Gurteg IAS

Gurdarshan Singh

Joginder Spokesman (Excommunicated)

Dhunda

Panthpreet

Amrik Singh Chandigarh

Maji

etc etc etc

[ramghariasingh 29]

anti dasam prachar was started by ram raiyas during the time of baba banda singh bahadur

[kam1825 375]

Are their any historical testements about the Ram Raiyas being against the Sri Dasam Granth? This is the first time i have heard of such a thing

[WaljinderSingh 834]

I heard that Ram Raiyas did ninda of Chaupai sahib. Baba Banda Singh came to know about this (1709-1713) and warned them but they did not stop. Babaji then did Sodha of them.

[InderjitS 1,244]

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Anti_Dasam_Bani_Movement

[dallysingh101 2,869]

I think the hate actually has its antecedents from the colonial period.

That's when you start getting the movement to distance SIkhs from anything remotely considered Hindu (which I think it would be more accurate to call Indic).

Prior to this, there was no problems with DG in the panth. Then after colonisation we get a different attitude towards the granth - 'it contains Hinduism', 'They are full of "erotic" tales', 'they deify Hindu devtays' etc. etc.

I think a part of the negative attitude towards Charitrio Pakyaan stems from the prudish, repressed Victorian attitudes towards sexual matters that seeped into our community whilst being colonised by these said people. By the time they had finished 'educating' us with their values, some of us began to feel that such tales could never come from dasmesh pita.

[Koi 551]

I think the hate actually has its antecedents from the colonial period.

That's when you start getting the movement to distance SIkhs from anything remotely considered Hindu (which I think it would be more accurate to call Indic).

Prior to this, there was no problems with DG in the panth. Then after colonisation we get a different attitude towards the granth - 'it contains Hinduism', 'They are full of "erotic" tales', 'they deify Hindu devtays' etc. etc.

I think a part of the negative attitude towards Charitrio Pakyaan stems from the prudish, repressed Victorian attitudes towards sexual matters that seeped into our community whilst being colonised by these said people. By the time they had finished 'educating' us with their values, some of us began to feel that such tales could never come from dasmesh pita.

Totally agree

[Jonny101 4,386]

Are their any historical testements about the Ram Raiyas being against the Sri Dasam Granth? This is the first time i have heard of such a thing

The story is that, a Singh was reading Choupi Sahib and when the Ram Raiyas found out they physically beat him up. When Baba Banda Singh Babadur found out about this he could not tolerate this insult upon Guru Gobind Singh Jees Bani. He personally led his army and crushed the Ram Raiyas for this crime. This is also mentioned in Ganda Singh's book.

[Quantavius 141]

I think the hate actually has its antecedents from the colonial period.

That's when you start getting the movement to distance SIkhs from anything remotely considered Hindu (which I think it would be more accurate to call Indic).

Prior to this, there was no problems with DG in the panth. Then after colonisation we get a different attitude towards the granth - 'it contains Hinduism', 'They are full of "erotic" tales', 'they deify Hindu devtays' etc. etc.

I think a part of the negative attitude towards Charitrio Pakyaan stems from the prudish, repressed Victorian attitudes towards sexual matters that seeped into our community whilst being colonised by these said people. By the time they had finished 'educating' us with their values, some of us began to feel that such tales could never come from dasmesh pita.

Sikhism is a complete rejection of Hinduism. There is no arguments here. Otherwise there is no need to create a new religion, just a sect within Hinduism. Those of you arguing otherwise, I suggest your go to the source then and partake in Hinduism at a Mandir near you.

I fail to see how colonialism affected the mindset of the average Sikh back then as most could not understand, read or even write English. Even today, I very much doubt the average Sikh in Punjab knows what is 'Victorian' or 'repressed Victorian attitudes'. I think your anti white outlook is clouding your judgement.

[dallysingh101 2,869]

On 5/2/2016 at 5:26 PM, Quantavius said:

I fail to see how colonialism affected the mindset of the average Sikh back then as most could not understand, read or even write English. Even today, I very much doubt the average Sikh in Punjab knows what is 'Victorian' or 'repressed Victorian attitudes'. I think your anti white outlook is clouding your judgement.

Are you REALLY that simple????

The way the repressed Victorian attitudes took hold was simple, they 'educated' an elite infecting them with this - then this elite went on to do parchaar to the masses indirectly via pamphlets and other written material.

In CP's case, it wasn't that parchaar was actively done against it - they just appeared to have kept quiet about the contents to the masses. The maintained a silence about it and anything else they considered 'strange' due to their 'education' in Christian schools.

I think you acutely suffer from the opposite of what you accuse me of. You have such a deeply ingrained inferiority complex towards goray that you can't imagine them doing anything wrong, devious, or primarily for their own agenda and interests as opposed to ours.

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Sikhism is a complete rejection of Hinduism. There is no arguments here. Otherwise there is no need to create a new religion, just a sect within Hinduism. Those of you arguing otherwise, I suggest your go to the source then and partake in Hinduism at a Mandir near you.

Maybe you should try understanding a bit more. My point is that Sikhi, via Gurbani, HEAVILY utilises contemporary Indic metaphors and mythology in making points (yes, even when rejecting what people call 'Hinduism' these days). I think some people took this too far, and became negatively inclined towards Dasam Granth because it so heavily utilises this Indic framework (amongst other things). Some simple minds see this and mistake the contents for being 'Hindu' in some way as a consequence.

Evidence suggests that our Gurus had no problem with using existing Indic (which some people call Hindu) myths and stories to elucidate certain concepts - Chandi ki vaar is a blatant and well known example of this.

Maybe you should sod off to a protestant church near you btw?

[Quantavius 141]

Are you REALLY that simple????

The way the repressed Victorian attitudes took hold was simple, they 'educated' an elite infecting them with this - then this elite went on to do parchaar to the masses indirectly via pamphlets and other written material.

In CP's case, it wasn't that parchaar was actively done against it - they just appeared to have kept quite about the contents to the masses. The maintained a silence about it and anything else they considered 'strange' due to their 'education' in Christian schools.

I think you acutely suffer from the opposite of what you accuse me of. You have such a deeply ingrained inferiority complex towards goray that you can't imagine them doing anything wrong, devious, or primarily for their own agenda and interests as opposed to ours.

Maybe you should try understanding a bit more. My point is that Sikhi, via Gurbani, HEAVILY utilises contemporary Indic metaphors and mythology in making points (yes, even when rejecting what people call 'Hinduism' these days). I think some people took this too far, and became negatively inclined towards Dasam Granth because it so heavily utilises this Indic framework (amongst other things). Some simple minds see this and mistake the contents for being 'Hindu' in some way as a consequence.

Evidence suggests that our Gurus had no problem with using existing Indic (which some people call Hindu) myths and stories to elucidate certain concepts - Chandi ki vaar is a blatant and well known example of this.

Maybe you should sod off to a protestant church near you btw?

Who were these 'elites' that were educated in with repressed Victorian attitudes? Please provide details.

[GPS 1,327]

Ram rai sect was not part of Sikhism as they were excommunicated lot.

Seeds of shunning dasam Granth are in Singh Sabha movement. In 1897 a sodhak committee was formed to evaluate it.though that resulted in standardization of Sri Dasam Granth sahib with unanimous approval of it being bani of Dasam pita yet question arises why they formed the committee.

Then came teja Singh bhasaur who questioned ardas pauri. He also took out bhat and Bhagat bani out of Sri Guru Granth Sahib. He was promoted by British and his was Hindu phobia.

After bhasauria Dasam granth sahib beadbi occurred at Akal takhat and gurdwara ramsar sahib.because of that SGPc lifted its parkash at akal takhat sahib and gurudwara Ramsar sahib in 1943. Some elements shortened chaupai sahib. Slowly Sri Dasam granth sahib went out of Sikh memory.

Present assault most vicious one was launched by most probably at instance of GOI after 1991 wherein atheist elements missionaries were roped in along some disgruntled scholars like gurtej ,kala afghana, gur darshan Dillon etc.

[Quantavius 141]

Ram rai sect was not part of Sikhism as they were excommunicated lot.

Seeds of shunning dasam Granth are in Singh Sabha movement. In 1897 a sodhak committee was formed to evaluate it.though that resulted in standardization of Sri Dasam Granth sahib with unanimous approval of it being bani of Dasam pita yet question arises why they formed the committee.

Then came teja Singh bhasaur who questioned ardas pauri. He also took out bhat and Bhagat bani out of Sri Guru Granth Sahib. He was promoted by British and his was Hindu phobia.

After bhasauria Dasam granth sahib beadbi occurred at Akal takhat and gurdwara ramsar sahib.because of that SGPc lifted its parkash at akal takhat sahib and gurudwara Ramsar sahib in 1943. Some elements shortened chaupai sahib. Slowly Sri Dasam granth sahib went out of Sikh memory.

Present assault most vicious one was launched by most probably at instance of GOI after 1991 wherein atheist elements missionaries were roped in along some disgruntled scholars like gurtej ,kala afghana, gur darshan Dillon etc.

Can you please provide a source to verify the fact that Teja Singh Bhasaur took out bhat and Bhagat bani out from SGGS Ji Maharaj?

If I was a Hindu that was hell bent on destroying Sikhims I would love Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji as I can draw parallels between Hinduism and Sikhism, and finally lay claim that Sikhism is a sect of Hinduism. Why would the GOI want to assault Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji? It does not logically make sense.