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Who Is Responsible For The Hate Towards Dasam Granth?


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One thing I cannot understand is if the Sikhs in the past were that solid in their faith,

why did they bow down to the trechourous pommies who took their rule.

So much so they became their loyal slaves and that kind of slave mentality is still found in some posters here.

You mean to deny our ancestors were more pakke in their Sikhi than us?

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The Arya Samaj Singh Sabha spat came about 40 years later.

And the repercussions of that still resound today.

It's weird (for me anyway) to have to look at our inherited literature today and see that our scholars felt strongly compelled to start discreetly changing or hiding stuff - instead of countering arguments against Hindus in a more confident, honest fashion.

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You mean to deny our ancestors were more pakke in their Sikhi than us?

Let's be real, Jsinghnz has a point.

I think the brits firstly waited until most of the major powerhouse leaders (under whom Sikhs would've united) were dead (Hari Singh Nalwa, Ranjit Singh, Akali Phoola Singh). Then we do have accounts of A LOT of shaheedi taking place during the Anglo-Sikh wars suggesting that many staunch, pukkay Singhs preferred death to surrender or accepting defeat.

Those that were left were probably of a different calibre (more worldly), and for a variety of reasons (animosity against poorbias, job opportunities, loot, money, land) subordinated themselves.

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And the repercussions of that still resound today.

It's weird (for me anyway) to have to look at our inherited literature today and see that our scholars felt strongly compelled to start discreetly changing or hiding stuff - instead of countering arguments against Hindus in a more confident, honest fashion.

Leaving literature aside some Sikhs even went as far as to suggest Guru Granth Sahib needing "editing".

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Its a bit confusing to explain this but from what I have understood is that Guru and Vaheguru are ONE, no difference. Even though they are ONE but Guru jee did not want Sikhs to do Bhagti of them. The reason why Guru jee took birth on this world is so people will do Bhagti of Vaheguru and Vaheguru alone. So when Guru jee scolds his Sikhs that you will go to hell if you call me God, it should be seen as an Aadesh or Hukm by Guru ji to not worship Him but to worship Vaheguru even though they are the same.

Let's look at the line carefully.

ਜੋ ਹਮ ਕੋ ਪਰਮੇਸਰ ਉਚਰਿ ਹੈਂ ॥ ਤੇ ਸਭ ਨਰਕਿ ਕੁੰਡ ਮਹਿ ਪਰਿਹੈਂ ॥

The third word in the first tuk means, to say. The word ਉਚਰਿ means in speech(to speak), to explain but interpreting the word as explain, to speak makes no sense also Guru Sahib doesn't know how to put together a sentence!!! Also the tuk would be complete at ਪਰਮੇਸਰ if we interpret it as those who say I (guru sahib) am Vaheguru. There would be no need to add the last two words.

I believe in this context considering all of the bani before and after. This tuk is saying: who says I (Guru Sahib) is higher(does praise higher of Guru Sahib and singles him out as stand alone without Vaheguru) than Vaheguru. Look at Guru Sahib saying Krishna elected himself as God, which says Krishna is higher than Vaheguru.

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