Is 'halal' Meat Really Halal?

[sikhiseeker]

I remember reading sakhi where a Singh was captured and his head shorn and beard cut and they tried to convert him by force but Guru ji said he was still a Sikh because he had not eaten halal and had not done nikkah with a muslim.

WJKK WJKF

Is that the one where when they even behead him his head flies of the Thalie so the musclemanie wasn't even able to touch his sees after shaheedi!

[thesoldier]

We should make sure that ALL sikhs no matter what state of their sikhi stop eating at Halal places , this was hukam of Guru ji because that is how the conversion process is sealed if everyone is eating halal/kuttha all they have to do is get people to say/read.write shahada and it's done. It is to ease their conversion process

I am saddened at sikhs eating halal. There is this place called Roosters piri piri in uk just like nandos but is moslim owned, prices are similar to nandos and I see alot of singhs in there. I remember their outside shop dont appear to have a halal sign. They covertly don't show this to draw in non-moslim customers, especially alot of sikhs in west london.

Has basicsofsikhi addressed this issue? How good it would be to have Jagraj singh outside a few of these stores to speak to some of these singhs that go there who are lacking knowledge.or awareness.

[StarStriker]

I am saddened at sikhs eating halal. There is this place called Roosters piri piri in uk just like nandos but is moslim owned, prices are similar to nandos and I see alot of singhs in there. I remember their outside shop dont appear to have a halal sign. They covertly don't show this to draw in non-moslim customers, especially alot of sikhs in west london.

Has basicsofsikhi addressed this issue? How good it would be to have Jagraj singh outside a few of these stores to speak to some of these singhs that go there who are lacking knowledge.or awareness.

I tend to find, most of the sikhs who eat dirty halal meat,are the new arrival freshys, who say they havnt heard of halal back in panjab/haryana. If u say to them its 'kuttha maas' then they may understand. But they seem completely oblivious to the fact that we cannot eat halal/kosher.

[InderjitS]

I am saddened at sikhs eating halal. There is this place called Roosters piri piri in uk just like nandos but is moslim owned, prices are similar to nandos and I see alot of singhs in there. I remember their outside shop dont appear to have a halal sign. They covertly don't show this to draw in non-moslim customers, especially alot of sikhs in west london.

Has basicsofsikhi addressed this issue? How good it would be to have Jagraj singh outside a few of these stores to speak to some of these singhs that go there who are lacking knowledge.or awareness.

[thesoldier]

I tend to find, most of the sikhs who eat dirty halal meat,are the new arrival freshys, who say they havnt heard of halal back in panjab/haryana. If u say to them its '<banned word filter activated> maas' then they may understand. But they seem completely oblivious to the fact that we cannot eat halal/kosher.

Now that i think of it you probably right in your observation there. Majority are freshie types.

I seen this video a while back, although i forgotten about it. We need basics of sikhi team to hang around those places to educate a few, hand out leaflets. Do a youtube video too.

Just messaged BasicsofSikhi facebook page, hope they can look into this. Thanks

[13Mirch]

As we know, from even a cursory reading of Islam through the works of it's best scholars, the Prophet Muhammad possessed no divinity and befuddled the Arab mindset with subverted and perverse logic. Owing to some local, and otherwise gullible, superstitions a majority of the bellicose illiterate Arabs commenced to address him as some sort of a religious figure and began following his wants. Muhammad had realized that if his incredulous bunch of misfits could be welded together, than maybe there was a chance for him to enjoy perennial prowess. Acting in the latter vein, he begin to manifest or formalize aspects of a so-called "new faith" point by point. Realizing that he was at times shooting himself in the foot, he commenced stating that Allah retained the prerogative to abrogate what he had revealed in the past. A typical Muslim will contend, "well a perfect God can change his words.." yet the fact that this God is supposed to be higher than humans but can commit the same errors as them obfuscates this notion. A perfect God would substantiate his divinity through a perpetual stand i.e. not abrogating or changing his perceptions/words. This will prove that he indeed is worthy of worship by otherwise fickle minded humans. Halal was Muhammad's emulation of Kosher. All systems advocating stratification (Caste, Semitic faiths etc.) divide adherents and non-adherents on many superficial basis. The most extreme mode of this division is food, where the foodstuff of another is utterly toxic because he/she does not subscribe to your faith. Is Halal viable? The below article is based on a recent study (2012) conducted in New-Zealand where it was found that the ECG-EEG method which Muslims employ to defend Halal is in fact faulty and riddled with loopholes. Of course the adherents of Islam will argue otherwise...

http://www.natalt.org/2012/03/29/animal-cruelty-and-kosherhalal-slaughter/

[Pakandi baba]

It's a business tactic to win Muslim customers, Muslims are a huge percentage of the population, (and the fact that most of Europe has some love-hate relationship with them). Halal is basically killing an animal from the neck-up, (jhatka is from the neck-down), so these "Halal" groups got a check for no Daya.

No, halal is the slow method of killing the animal, jhatka is one swift move to kill the animal instantly.

[Pakandi baba]

I tend to find, most of the sikhs who eat dirty halal meat,are the new arrival freshys, who say they havnt heard of halal back in panjab/haryana. If u say to them its 'kuttha maas' then they may understand. But they seem completely oblivious to the fact that we cannot eat halal/kosher.

If they don't follow the Sikh dhari kesh rehat then why would it matter not to eat halal. The animal is dead regardless.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

No, halal is the slow method of killing the animal, jhatka is one swift move to kill the animal instantly.

If you use a gun or other firearms, is it Jhatka or Halal?

[jkvlondon]

If you use a gun or other firearms, is it Jhatka or Halal?

I find it strange that fish are considered halal , when they die suffocating in nets