Bhai Mani Singh Did Parkash Of 1698 Dasam Granth Bir At Akal Takht!

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3. Bhai Mani Singh jee did Parkash of this Mahaan Bir at Akal Takht Sahib and this bir was called Akaal Takht Sarup Bir.

Bhai Mani Singh did not go to Sri Akal Takht until around 1714-1716. In 1698 Sri Darbar Sahib was in firm control of the meene. Would it be logical to accept that the meene would have accepted Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth, when they were adamant to keep the Sikhs and their Guru out of Sri Darbar Sahib?

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1.Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj Himself ordered the writing of Dasam Granth Sahib Bir in 1698. He Himself wrote some pages and also did Signature in the end. This Bir is present at Takht Patna Sahib.

2. A copy was made of this Bir in the same year(so we have 2 Dasam Granth Birs from 1698) and thats the Bir you are seeing in the pic.

The Bir from Sri Akal Takht which matches the Patna Sahib bir both have the dates of Bikrami 1765 which would be around 1710 Ad.

This doesn't make sense, if Bhai Mani Singh Ji had access to this bir then why was he looking for parts of Dasam granth mentioned in the letter to Mata Sundri Ji.

A good question. the earliest recensions of Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth were sent to Patna Sahib and after Guru Sahib and the SIkhs left Panjab the Holy Granths went to Sri Hazur Sahib/Dakhan as well. There is a saroop of Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth that belonged to Bhai Daya Singh at Aurangabad today.

[jkvlondon]

Some people tend to have a very romanticized view of the Nihangs in this era. During this time, the low-castes were not allowed to enter Sri Darbar Sahib. they had to do namaskar from the pauria and then go back. Why were the Nihangs as custodians allowing this to happen?

Then when the SS tried to help the low-castes go into Sri Darbar Sahib they all were beaten up. Where were the Nihangs at this time?

The SIngh Sabha, rightly took a very dim view of this and when the time came, they took over Sri Darbar Sahib complex and allowed the low-castes to have the same rights all other sikhs. The conduct of the Nihangs here was totally outside the remit of Gurmat. They laid the seeds for their own downfall here, and look at what repercussions it is having on the panth now.

No it's not. The first things the british criminal gang did was to nullify the sikhs capacity for war. As a result of this every Sikh had to give up their weapons, being allowed only a 6 inch kirpan. So those who didn't want to give up their weapons left Panjab to seek sanctuary at Sri Hazur Sahib. I wouldn't even say that the british criminals even knew about the dual role of the chalda vaheer.

And this brahmans and mahants phobia you have? You need to work on that.

Who did narainu mahant insist on giving the keys of Sri Nankana Sahib to?

Bhai Maharaj Singh was not a Nihang. He was if anything a Nirmala.

Narain mahant handed over Kunjia to Angrez after getting their Ok to be armed and fortify the compound to murder the Gursikhs ... The vicar who witnessed the morcha and the bloodbath said what kind of faith was it that every Gursikh was an individual Christ ?

[jkvlondon]

The Bir from Sri Akal Takht which matches the Patna Sahib bir both have the dates of Bikrami 1765 which would be around 1710 Ad.

A good question. the earliest recensions of Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth were sent to Patna Sahib and after Guru Sahib and the SIkhs left Panjab the Holy Granths went to Sri Hazur Sahib/Dakhan as well. There is a saroop of Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth that belonged to Bhai Daya Singh at Aurangabad today.

possibly he didn't want to do beadbhi of losing the bani fullstop

[GPS]

Some people tend to have a very romanticized view of the Nihangs in this era. During this time, the low-castes were not allowed to enter Sri Darbar Sahib. they had to do namaskar from the pauria and then go back. Why were the Nihangs as custodians allowing this to happen?

Then when the SS tried to help the low-castes go into Sri Darbar Sahib they all were beaten up. Where were the Nihangs at this time?

The SIngh Sabha, rightly took a very dim view of this and when the time came, they took over Sri Darbar Sahib complex and allowed the low-castes to have the same rights all other sikhs. The conduct of the Nihangs here was totally outside the remit of Gurmat. They laid the seeds for their own downfall here, and look at what repercussions it is having on the panth now.

No it's not. The first things the british criminal gang did was to nullify the sikhs capacity for war. As a result of this every Sikh had to give up their weapons, being allowed only a 6 inch kirpan. So those who didn't want to give up their weapons left Panjab to seek sanctuary at Sri Hazur Sahib. I wouldn't even say that the british criminals even knew about the dual role of the chalda vaheer.

And this brahmans and mahants phobia you have? You need to work on that.

Who did narainu mahant insist on giving the keys of Sri Nankana Sahib to?

Bhai Maharaj Singh was not a Nihang. He was if anything a Nirmala.

There was a dual control of Harmandir sahib complex. Akal takhat was under control of Nihung singhs whereas Darbar sahib was under control of mahants.

Not allowing karat parsed is condemnable.But that does not give right to jhabar gang to attack akal takhat and then become instrumental in shortening chaupai sahib at Harmandir sahib.

Of course Bhai maharaj singh was both a religious person heading Hothi mardan khalsa jathebandi and also a nihung fighter. He was fighter and revered in Punjab as a saint or messiah. He was caught from dear of Baba Bir Singh Nauragabadi.Need to read literature of that period especially role of Nihungs after Britsh annexation of Punjab.There is novel based on life of of baba Tega singh by Master Tara singh.He was one and some other nihungs who fled to Iran instead of laying down arms.Baba Hanuman singh Nihung was another famous Nihung who laid down life for sikh cause.

Nihungs guru maharaj dian ladlian faujan who did remarkable job in extending empire of sikhs were not reduced to collaborators of anti sikh mahants.They were charred kala sings and still are.

[GPS]

The Bir from Sri Akal Takht which matches the Patna Sahib bir both have the dates of Bikrami 1765 which would be around 1710 Ad.

A good question. the earliest recensions of Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth were sent to Patna Sahib and after Guru Sahib and the SIkhs left Panjab the Holy Granths went to Sri Hazur Sahib/Dakhan as well. There is a saroop of Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth that belonged to Bhai Daya Singh at Aurangabad today.

You need to read book of Randhir singh SGPC research scholar. Book name is "shabad moorat"". He has seen manuscript of Dasam granth in toshakhana of Harmandir sahib patna.

That beer is dated 1755 Bikram samvat.That comes to 1698 AD.

If it was 1765 as you mention then it comes to 1708 AD.

[GPS]

http://patshahi10.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=245:sri-dasam-granth-beerh-1698-ad-takhat-sri-patna-sahib-&catid=62:historic-beerhs&Itemid=106

Contents from the rare handwritten beerh of Sri Dasam Granth compiled in 1755 Bikrami (1698 A.D.), one year before the formation of Khalsa. The date when this historic beerh was compiled is given in the introductory paragraph. This beerh is preserved at Takhat Sri Patna Sahib. It is noteworthy that Guru Gobind Singh Sahib’s bani "Zafarnamah" which was written in 1704 A.D., six years after this beerh was compiled, does not feature in the main index of the beerh as is evident from the picture below. The last composition in the main index is "Hikayat". Also noteworthy is the name of the granth that appears on the top, “Patshah Dasven Ju Ka Granth” (The Granth of the Tenth Master).

The year mentioned on this handwritten beerh is also significant because Bhai Kesar Singh Chibber too in Bansavalinama records that Guru Gobind Singh Sahib had himself compiled the Granth in 1755 Bikrami (1698 A.D.), and this Chhota Granth^[1] was very dear to him. Evidently this is one of the oldest beerhs which Guru Sahib himself compiled before the formation of the Khalsa. Later compilations of the complete banees of Guru Gobind Singh Sahib is attributed to Bhai Mani Singh.

ਛੋਟਾ ਗਰੰਥ ਜੀ ਜਨਮੇ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦਸਵੇਂ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹ ਕੇ ਧਾਮ।
ਸੰਮਤ ਸਤਾਰਾਂ ਸੈ ਪਚਵੰਜਾ, ਬਹੁਤ ਖਿਡਾਵੇ ਲਿਖਾਰੇ ਨਾਮ।
ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨੂੰ ਸੀ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਹਥੀਂ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਖਿਡਾਇਆ।

ਸਿਖਾਂ ਕੀਤੀ ਅਰਦਾਸ, 'ਜੀ ਅਗਲੇ (ਭਾਵ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ) ਨਾਲਿ ਚਾਹੀਏ ਰਲਾਇਆ'।
ਬਚਨ ਕੀਤਾ, 'ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਹੈ ਉਹ, ਏਹ ਅਸਾਡੀ ਖੇਡ ਹੈ।'
ਨਾਲਿ ਨ ਮਿਲਾਇਆ ਆਹਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ, ਕਉਨ ਜਾਣੈ ਭੇਦ।

ਸੋ ਦੋਨੋ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰ ਕਿਰ ਜਾਨੋ।

ਵਡਾ ਹੈ ਟਿਕਾ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਟਕੇ ਪੋਥੀਆਂ ਪੁਤਰ ਪੋਤਰੇ ਕਿਰ ਪਛਾਨੋ

(ਬੰਸਾਵਲੀਨਾਮਾ, ਭਾਈ ਕੇਸਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਛਿੱਬਰ)

[1] Kesar Singh Chibber calls the granth as Chotta Granth (small granth) in relation to the status of Sri Guru Granth Sahib

The first paragraph is transcribed below:

ੴਸ੍ਰੀਵਾਹਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

ਸ੍ਰੀਭਗਉਤੀਜੂਸਹਾਇ

ਤਤਕਰਾ ਸੁਚੇਪੱਤ੍ਰਸ੍ਰੀਗ੍ਰਿੰਥਜੂਕਾ

ਬਾਣੀ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹਦਸਵੇਂਜੂਕੇਗ੍ਰਿੰਥਕਾ

ਸੰਬਤ 1755.ਮਿਤੀਅਸਾੜਬਦੀ1

ਕੋਗ੍ਰਿੰਥਲਿਖਿਆ: ਤਵਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ

ਸ੍ਰੀਮੁਖਵਾਕਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੀ10

Picture Courtesy: Sant Sipahi Magazine

Contents from the rare handwritten beerh of Sri Dasam Granth compiled in 1755 Bikrami (1698 A.D.), one year before the formation of Khalsa. The date when this historic beerh was compiled is given in the introductory paragraph. This beerh is preserved at Takhat Sri Patna Sahib. It is noteworthy that Guru Gobind Singh Sahib’s bani "Zafarnamah" which was written in 1704 A.D., six years after this beerh was compiled, does not feature in the main index of the beerh as is evident from the picture below. The last composition in the main index is "Hikayat". Also noteworthy is the name of the granth that appears on the top, “Patshah Dasven Ju Ka Granth” (The Granth of the Tenth Master).

The year mentioned on this handwritten beerh is also significant because Bhai Kesar Singh Chibber too in Bansavalinama records that Guru Gobind Singh Sahib had himself compiled the Granth in 1755 Bikrami (1698 A.D.), and this Chhota Granth^[1] was very dear to him. Evidently this is one of the oldest beerhs which Guru Sahib himself compiled before the formation of the Khalsa. Later compilations of the complete banees of Guru Gobind Singh Sahib is attributed to Bhai Mani Singh.

ਛੋਟਾ ਗਰੰਥ ਜੀ ਜਨਮੇ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦਸਵੇਂ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹ ਕੇ ਧਾਮ।
ਸੰਮਤ ਸਤਾਰਾਂ ਸੈ ਪਚਵੰਜਾ, ਬਹੁਤ ਖਿਡਾਵੇ ਲਿਖਾਰੇ ਨਾਮ।
ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨੂੰ ਸੀ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਹਥੀਂ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਖਿਡਾਇਆ।

ਸਿਖਾਂ ਕੀਤੀ ਅਰਦਾਸ, 'ਜੀ ਅਗਲੇ (ਭਾਵ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ) ਨਾਲਿ ਚਾਹੀਏ ਰਲਾਇਆ'।
ਬਚਨ ਕੀਤਾ, 'ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਹੈ ਉਹ, ਏਹ ਅਸਾਡੀ ਖੇਡ ਹੈ।'
ਨਾਲਿ ਨ ਮਿਲਾਇਆ ਆਹਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ, ਕਉਨ ਜਾਣੈ ਭੇਦ।

ਸੋ ਦੋਨੋ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰ ਕਿਰ ਜਾਨੋ।

ਵਡਾ ਹੈ ਟਿਕਾ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਟਕੇ ਪੋਥੀਆਂ ਪੁਤਰ ਪੋਤਰੇ ਕਿਰ ਪਛਾਨੋ

(ਬੰਸਾਵਲੀਨਾਮਾ, ਭਾਈ ਕੇਸਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਛਿੱਬਰ)

[1] Kesar Singh Chibber calls the granth as Chotta Granth (small granth) in relation to the status of Sri Guru Granth Sahib

The first paragraph is transcribed below:

ੴਸ੍ਰੀਵਾਹਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

ਸ੍ਰੀਭਗਉਤੀਜੂਸਹਾਇ

ਤਤਕਰਾ ਸੁਚੇਪੱਤ੍ਰਸ੍ਰੀਗ੍ਰਿੰਥਜੂਕਾ

ਬਾਣੀ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹਦਸਵੇਂਜੂਕੇਗ੍ਰਿੰਥਕਾ

ਸੰਬਤ 1755.ਮਿਤੀਅਸਾੜਬਦੀ1

ਕੋਗ੍ਰਿੰਥਲਿਖਿਆ: ਤਵਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ

ਸ੍ਰੀਮੁਖਵਾਕਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੀ10

Picture Courtesy: Sant Sipahi Magazine

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http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Amir_Singh

AMIR SINGH, an AKALI or Nihang who was a veteran soldier, joined the band of Bhai Maharaj Singh, leading a popular rebellion against the British in 1848-49. When the British deputy commissioner of Jalandhar, Vansittart, raided Maharaj Singh`s camp near Sham Chaurasi on the night of 2829 December 1849, Amir Singh attacked him with an axe but was himself wounded by a pistol shot fired by Vansittart. He died three days later

[chatanga]

Narain mahant handed over Kunjia to Angrez

Ok, so you don't know. Narainu offered to hand the keys only over to the Nihangs at Sri Akal Bunga. But Baba Kharak Singh would not accept that. Then narianu was forced to hand the keys over to the Baba.

[chatanga]

You need to read book of Randhir singh SGPC research scholar. Book name is "shabad moorat"". He has seen manuscript of Dasam granth in toshakhana of Harmandir sahib patna.

I will definitely get that book. Thanks.

That beer is dated 1755 Bikram samvat.That comes to 1698 AD.

If it was 1765 as you mention then it comes to 1708 AD.

They may have been different saroops then. There are many saroops at Patna sahib. Will look into this more.

Personally I do not think there is any truth in Bhai Mani Singh doing parkash of Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth Sahib at Sri Akal Takht Sahib in 1698.