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they are at the end of their tether hmm? well it has not even created a slight hesitation in the continual interference in other countries over the past 100 years . The main common tendency amongst those anglo-saxon decendents the 'whingeing pom' gene , it is always everyone elses fault ...forget about the stealing of other's resources at gun and cannon mouth , the enslavement of humans and self-enrichment from their suffering , the continual blackmailing of impoverished countries to rip them off for meds, tech and trade. For me, what Guru ji said goes Ape Bij ap he hi Khao they are just reaping what they sowed

You're confusing governments and institutions with the man on the street, who is as much responsible for what occurs in foreign lands as we were when the Indian government attacked us during the last century, I.e. not very much. Plus, dominant cultures and races are built not through love and understanding, but through brute force. Yes, it's barbaric, underhand at times, and inhumane, but it's a cold, hard fact of human life. If only we'd possessed that steel, brutality, and determination when we had our own lands, perhaps we'd have been spared from our current fate. But then in an alternate timeline when Sikhs ruled their own lands and beyond, we'd be hearing the Hindu and Muslim equivalents of yourself lamenting the marauding Sikh armies of the 19th century for doing to them what always happens when civilisations are created and countries are forged. It's just a matter of perspective. Doesn't mean we have to like it or endorse it.

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You're confusing governments and institutions with the man on the street, who is as much responsible for what occurs in foreign lands as we were when the Indian government attacked us during the last century, I.e. not very much. Plus, dominant cultures and races are built not through love and understanding, but through brute force. Yes, it's barbaric, underhand at times, and inhumane, but it's a cold, hard fact of human life. If only we'd possessed that steel, brutality, and determination when we had our own lands, perhaps we'd have been spared from our current fate. But then in an alternate timeline when Sikhs ruled their own lands and beyond, we'd be hearing the Hindu and Muslim equivalents of yourself lamenting the marauding Sikh armies of the 19th century for doing to them what always happens when civilisations are created and countries are forged. It's just a matter of perspective. Doesn't mean we have to like it or endorse it.

even the man on the street benefitted from the increased trade , the cheap cotton (increased manufacturing output) etc ...just because they choose not to see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

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Has any Mughal descendent or Central Asian/Subcontinent muslim ever apologised for Aurungzeb and should they have to?

Apologise? No, I don't think so, but with the Muslim it's a tad complex and goes much deeper than it would with a civilisation built on an un-Islamic philosophy. Theirs is one of complete domination and subjugation as decreed by their "God." Politics and faith are so closely linked for them that it's inexplicable that anything not Islamic can survive and flourish. Admittedly, the Mughals may have asserted their dominance yet continued to allow small pockets of non-Muslims to exist, but with things like jizya, etc, and other smaller micro-aggressions, the hope was to eventually wear down opposition and absorb them into the larger Islamic organism. Plus, there's the general demeanour of certain Muslims who revel in the death and destruction meted out by the Mughals, even to this day. That kind of behaviour is symptomatic of the kind of filth the Islamic faith breeds. There is no mercy and sympathy.

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Has any Mughal descendent or Central Asian/Subcontinent muslim ever apologised for Aurungzeb and should they have to?

yes female descendant came to Harmandir Sahib to ask forgiveness for the ancestor's paap ..as she knows that is why her family is living as paupers now in dire straits because of it

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2424410/The-Mughal-emperor-ancestor-Sultana-Begum-forced-live-slum-washes-street-struggles-feed-children.html

http://dailysikhupdates.com/living-poverty-mughal-kings-grand-great-daughter-asks-sikhs-forgiveness/

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Has any Mughal descendent or Central Asian/Subcontinent muslim ever apologised for Aurungzeb and should they have to?

Most muslim leaders are not civilised people or brave enough to issue apologies. It takes a greater civlisation and greater person to apologise on behalf of their nation. We just need to look at turkey and their leaders refusing to acknowledge and apologise for the amernaian christian genocide of 1 million people

But then in an alternate timeline when Sikhs ruled their own lands and beyond, we'd be hearing the Hindu and Muslim equivalents of yourself lamenting the marauding Sikh armies of the 19th century for doing to them what always happens when civilisations are created and countries are forged. It's just a matter of perspective. Doesn't mean we have to like it or endorse it.

Sikhs are not leaders of rulers of any nation at the moment so have no need to apologise for any past misdeeds that may have occurred during the rule of the Sikh empire or sikh misls. Nor did they fight anyone based on the colour of their skin but against the ideologies they followed which was against humanity and sikhi (hindu kill raja's and islamic rulers).

Meaningful apologies can only be issued and recompense issued by leaders of current and present nation states.

Further more we need to look deeper in the context of this apology by canada and how an important step this apology is as it raises awareness that canada was once a very racist nation colonised land by violent whites who were openly hostile to non-whites.

And now canada is welcoming Sikhs to be part of their government and high positions of power, it shows what a progressive country canada is to its merit. Just 10-30 years ago canada was still illegal banning people from coming into the country who had the surname singh and kaur. And their institutions were infiltrated by corrupt devious whites who were in league with indian RAW agents for economic oil pipe line deals and other interets trying to defame Sikhs and the khalistan movement by various terror attacks and in the media .

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Most muslim leaders are not civilised people or brave enough to issue apologies. It takes a greater civlisation and greater person to apologise on behalf of their nation. We just need to look at turkey and their leaders refusing to acknowledge and apologise for the amernaian christian genocide of 1 million people.

That's my point. Had we the stomach to go the extra miles to secure our future, none of what we'd have hypothetically achieved would've been through "hath jor ke benti." It would've been bloody, violent, and generally unpleasant. That's why I mentioned "alternate timeline." It was a fantasy scenario, a "what if."

Btw, if anyone believes - in my hypothetical situation above - that no proud Hindus or Muslims would've resisted Sikh armies that were determined to carve out a country and kingdom for Sikhs, then we're living in cloud cuckoo land.

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The white British (the average man) are reaching the end of their tether. It's exactly this kind of behaviour that they and other denominations of the White man are beginning to rally against.

The white man believes he's under attack; he believes his very existence is under threat by a global population that is laying all the blame for the ills of the world at his doorstep. This gesture, as satisfying as it may be for us, is another slap in the face for him; a perceived betrayal by his own in favour of the Other.

Even the apparently tolerant and welcoming indigenous white Canadian has started to grumble about how his country is full to the brim of third-world foreigners. The voices may be no more than a whisper at the moment, but the beginnings of something are definitely there. You've just got to know where to look.

You sound like you're on the verge of crapping yourself about it bro?

Screw white man and what he thinks. These hypocrites take over other nations and then complain when others move in and start to challenge their hegemony on land they've forcefully occupied themselves. The nerve!

And given how western Europeans have mass colonised so many other places (US, Canada, Australia, NZ) to the blatant detriment of the indigenous, who cares what they think? Just be ready for the predictable babyish lashing out.

People of colour should not miss ANY chance to highlight and throw white atrocities in white people's face. We've been hearing about our own savagery from their biased media/literary outlets for centuries.

What's good for the goose...etc. etc.

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You sound like you're on the verge of crapping yourself about it bro?

Screw white man and what he thinks. These hypocrites take over other nations and then complain when others move in and start to challenge their hegemony on land they've forcefully occupied themselves. The nerve!

And given how western Europeans have mass colonised so many other places (US, Canada, Australia, NZ) to the blatant detriment of the indigenous, who cares what they think? Just be ready for the predictable babyish lashing out.

People of colour should not miss ANY chance to highlight and throw white atrocities in white people's face. We've been hearing about our own savagery from their biased media/literary outlets for centuries.

What's good for the goose...etc. etc.

Don't shoot the messenger, hehe. I'm just relaying to my brothers and sisters on this site what I'm seeing and hearing, and not just me, but the kind of conversations that are starting to be had in some circles.

Occasionally, we wrap ourselves up in this safe space on this site where we lose touch with the non-Sikh reality that the rest of the world is experiencing, and we end up believing things or versions of events about daily life that have very little semblance to whats truly occuring out in the world. I think that's a very dangerous way to live; possessing erroneous assumptions about a world that is clearly in a state of transition, and usually in the past we've always been a few steps behind and that's not ideal.

So, yes, we should be aware of the changing tides, and if that means coming to terms with various uncomfortable truths that previously we'd be loathe to admit, then so be it. The only people who'll suffer by sticking our heads in the sand is us.

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Btw, if anyone believes - in my hypothetical situation above - that no proud Hindus or Muslims would've resisted Sikh armies that were determined to carve out a country and kingdom for Sikhs, then we're living in cloud cuckoo land.

Thats nonsense, panjabi muslims made up 85%+ of panjab, wen ranjit singh ruled and they welcomed him openly in the streets of lahore. Remember they were joyous at the fact they were no longer ruled by afghans (muslims), who wud kidnap panjabi muslim/hindu women, which the singhs wud bring back. Also remember, panjabi muslims have NEVER EVER EVER ruled panjab, and have only ever taken part in any attempted coup/kabza of the 5 rivers, once in 1946/47, n we butchered them good and proper. Had the british not been there drawing up lines and givin muslims panjab on a plate, we wud of captured the whole of w.panjab by the time 1948 came around.

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