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Statue Establishment In Sikhism

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In the recent news you have probably seen the statue of Baba Banda Singh Bhadhur being put up in India and in the UK. At one hand I am in owe of people who are remembering our Heros; however at the same time my comment is on the establishment of the Statues.

Baba Banda Singh Bhadhur started currency but used Guru's name on the currency rather than his own; then why establish statues for him

Take this forward a few generations do the future generations will start considering Statue Establishment in Sikhism a norm; where as it has been clearly banned.


I raise eyebrow at the leaders who are supporting this.


What are your views on this.


Fateh . . ..

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Fateh

Friendly stranger - pls refer to Ang 556 of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji... You will notice idolism is clearly banned.
Statue / Image depends on defintion

Coming back to my main points - seems no one has any views.

Fateh . . .

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oh and Ang 1160 and 739

Infact you should research SGGS to find out more and enlighten us

Also refer to the Sakhis of Bhai Bhairo and Bhagat Sadhna!

Fateh . . .

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Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji allowed a portrait of himself to be made (though he ended up having to finish it), there's nothing wrong with making a statue of Banda Singh Bahadur, He wasn't Guru Sahib, no one worshipped him. Unless the leaders are asking Sikhs to bow to the statue and start venerating it I think it's alright mate.

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Fateh

Friendly stranger - pls refer to Ang 556 of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji... You will notice idolism is clearly banned.

Statue / Image depends on defintion

Coming back to my main points - seems no one has any views.

Fateh . . .

Banned if it will be worshipped and incense lit & aarti done, they will NOT be doing that or bowing to a statue standing in public. Common sense must prevail when reading tuks from SGGS and used in context.

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Fateh
hence i did not quote the shabads merely pointed out where it is banned within SGGS

The point I was making: Would future generations not starting seeing Idolism as a norm.
Why start something which is clearly banned in our religion.

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Fateh

hence i did not quote the shabads merely pointed out where it is banned within SGGS

The point I was making: Would future generations not starting seeing Idolism as a norm.

Why start something which is clearly banned in our religion.

Mate, Did you know Guru Arjun dev Ji used to send drawings to his father while he was in Lahore? did you know Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji finished an artist's painting of him? This is art, its commemorating the life of a Sikh figure, If you're worried about youth thinking idolism is fine then you really need to get out more. Most if not all youth who are into Sikhi, know full well Idol worship is banned.

An idol is defined as this.

1.

a. An image used as an object of worship.
b. A false god.
2. One that is adored, often blindly or excessively.

No one in the Panth worships Banda Singh Bahadur, he was an inspiring Sikh who paved the way for the Sikh Empire. What you're trying to do here is ban art, something Guru Sahib had no problem with. An idol is false image of god, a diety, a saint, which is then revered as THOUGH it is the actual being.

You need to realise Idol-ism and a statue for the purpose of art are different things.

Your point would stand if people were bowing, burning offerings, praying to the statue. Which they are not.

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Fateh

Friendly stranger - pls refer to Ang 556 of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji... You will notice idolism is clearly banned.

Statue / Image depends on defintion

Coming back to my main points - seems no one has any views.

Fateh . . .

There is nothing there about not making statues or other pieces of art. Don't distort bani.

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Fateh. ...

Dont distort bani.
I replied cos i was asked where it says abt idols....

I do get out when and where needed.

You are clearly missing the point here. Perhaps you dont want to admit.

You start a tradition - it will get manipulated

How many statues have been established of our sikh leaders in the past 300 years?
So why and where this new trend

And the point here is - FFWD to another few 100 years; and then think. Statues (Worshiped or not) will be a norm at this rate.

Statues of kings is another point....

Art is great. Look at Zafarnama and many other religious writings - full of art.... Art is different.
However moving this to Statues is a very different point.
You have ppl going and putting rakhri on SGGS ji - same happens on the statues - is that not worship.

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Sikhi was started... it has been manipulated by the corrupt and depraved who sit in its highest seats. Ban Sikhi for the future generations?

Seriously, I can appreciate the logic of your argument. Our people do have a habit of deviating towards the most inappropriate and outright incorrect ways even when the most logical and objectively best route is available. That's the stupidity of human nature. Censorship is not the answer.

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well I think statues are neutral , they are made to create a talking point and any positive talking about sikhi by non-sikhs is most welcome . The fact that people here are jumping to the conclusion that we as a panth will somehow start acting like Hindus and start garlanding and doing bhut puja is really fantastical . I mean you really think apnay are going to take puja thaali and saman , stand and do ardas to these kalpanas and give prasad to them, all whilst the Gorey, kaley are walking past ??? Get real

I think it can be made into a plus point , just like the re-enactment of WWI soldiers ...who have created a buzz in our kids and new rememberance and appreciation in our host nations. We remember our fallen everyday and we do ardas that we live up to their levels of sikhi , there is nothing wrong in it . Sikh history is a history that must never be edited out of the world and we need keep adding to the list of good deeds done and victories won against the ills of this world not apologize for existing.

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