SURVEY: 90% DIVORCED WOMEN PREFER GURSIKH,15% UNMARRIED PREFER GURSIKH

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25 minutes ago, DhadrianwaleZindabad said:

Karma in Sanskrit refers to the actions of a human being in this life (as opposed to a previous life as Hinduism falsely claims). Interesting how some claim the darker the skin, generally the more suffering!

This is the other way of falsehood, Gurmat supports reincarnation completely; however, it is not for those of us, (humans), to judge the Karams of others, but rather Vaheguru.

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4 minutes ago, DhadrianwaleZindabad said:

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The bottom line is this.

Do you believe the repeated Genocides against the Sikh Panth occurred as a result of their karams?

Yes or No? (It's a one word answer brother)

No, (that is Daas's answer to you,) but do you believe in reincarnation?

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[CEO]

1 hour ago, DhadrianwaleZindabad said:

I'm sorry CEO but the above philosophy is not Sikhi.

Christianity and Islam support slavery and condone it and justify it.

Sikhi is the one religion which opposes slavery full on. Guru Sahib said slaveowners should be killed.

The various Genocides that have occurred against Sikhs were as result of hatred for Sikhs rather than supposed bad karams of our Guru Sahibaan, shaheeds and general Gursikhs and innocent children.

Karma in Sanskrit refers to the actions of a human being in this life (as opposed to a previous life as Hinduism falsely claims). Interesting how some claim the darker the skin, generally the more suffering!

 

 

Wait.....so Karm is not accountable to previous life? And wow, the bash is real ?

[sikhni777]

16 minutes ago, CEO said:

Wait.....so Karm is not accountable to previous life? And wow, the bash is real ?

There is a sakhi where a sant had to look into the last 100 past births of his life and he could not find a reason for his blindness. Then in the 101th birth... or some other birth before that - he had killed a frog mercilessly.... his blindness was a result of that.

Past life karams affect your present life greatly... to a great extent.

[sikhni777]

18 hours ago, CEO said:

So you are forbidding me to laugh at something wrong? Slavery existed from the time of The Roman empire. And guess what? Slavery & other bad things that happen to people, it is a product of their karm, basically they deserved it.

SGGS Ang 417 has the answer. It is not basically karam alone it is Gods will as to why people become slaves. 

Here Guru JI has related what the ladies went through when Babar invaded India.

ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ਅਸਟਪਦੀਆ ਘਰੁ ੩   Raag Aasaa, First Mehl, Ashtapadees, Third House:

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥   One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

ਜਿਨ ਸਿਰਿ ਸੋਹਨਿ ਪਟੀਆ ਮਾਂਗੀ ਪਾਇ ਸੰਧੂਰੁ ॥   Those heads adorned with braided hair, with their parts painted with vermillion -

ਸੇ ਸਿਰ ਕਾਤੀ ਮੁੰਨੀਅਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਗਲ ਵਿਚਿ ਆਵੈ ਧੂੜਿ ॥   those heads were shaved with scissors, and their throats were choked with dust.

ਮਹਲਾ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਹੋਦੀਆ ਹੁਣਿ ਬਹਣਿ ਨ ਮਿਲਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਹਦੂਰਿ ॥੧॥   They lived in palatial mansions, but now, they cannot even sit near the palaces. ||1||

ਆਦੇਸੁ ਬਾਬਾ ਆਦੇਸੁ ॥   Hail to You, O Father Lord, Hail to You!

ਆਦਿ ਪੁਰਖ ਤੇਰਾ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ਕਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਦੇਖਹਿ ਵੇਸ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥   O Primal Lord. Your limits are not known; You create, and create, and behold the scenes. ||1||Pause||

ਜਦਹੁ ਸੀਆ ਵੀਆਹੀਆ ਲਾੜੇ ਸੋਹਨਿ ਪਾਸਿ ॥   When they were married, their husbands looked so handsome beside them.

ਹੀਡੋਲੀ ਚੜਿ ਆਈਆ ਦੰਦ ਖੰਡ ਕੀਤੇ ਰਾਸਿ ॥   They came in palanquins, decorated with ivory;

ਉਪਰਹੁ ਪਾਣੀ ਵਾਰੀਐ ਝਲੇ ਝਿਮਕਨਿ ਪਾਸਿ ॥੨॥   water was sprinkled over their heads, and glittering fans were waved above them. ||2||

ਇਕੁ ਲਖੁ ਲਹਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਬਹਿਠੀਆ ਲਖੁ ਲਹਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਖੜੀਆ ॥   They were given hundreds of thousands of coins when they sat, and hundreds of thousands of coins when they stood.

ਗਰੀ ਛੁਹਾਰੇ ਖਾਂਦੀਆ ਮਾਣਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਸੇਜੜੀਆ ॥   They ate coconuts and dates, and rested comfortably upon their beds.

ਤਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਗਲਿ ਸਿਲਕਾ ਪਾਈਆ ਤੁਟਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਮੋਤਸਰੀਆ ॥੩॥   But ropes were put around their necks, and their strings of pearls were broken. ||3||

ਧਨੁ ਜੋਬਨੁ ਦੁਇ ਵੈਰੀ ਹੋਏ ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹੀ ਰਖੇ ਰੰਗੁ ਲਾਇ ॥   Their wealth and youthful beauty, which gave them so much pleasure, have now become their enemies.

ਦੂਤਾ ਨੋ ਫੁਰਮਾਇਆ ਲੈ ਚਲੇ ਪਤਿ ਗਵਾਇ ॥   The order was given to the soldiers, who dishonored them, and carried them away.

ਜੇ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਦੇ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਜੇ ਭਾਵੈ ਦੇਇ ਸਜਾਇ ॥੪॥   If it is pleasing to God's Will, He bestows greatness; if is pleases His Will, He bestows punishment. ||4||

ਅਗੋ ਦੇ ਜੇ ਚੇਤੀਐ ਤਾਂ ਕਾਇਤੁ ਮਿਲੈ ਸਜਾਇ ॥   If someone focuses on the Lord beforehand, then why should he be punished?

ਸਾਹਾਂ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਗਵਾਈਆ ਰੰਗਿ ਤਮਾਸੈ ਚਾਇ ॥   The kings had lost their higher consciousness, reveling in pleasure and sensuality.

ਬਾਬਰਵਾਣੀ ਫਿਰਿ ਗਈ ਕੁਇਰੁ ਨ ਰੋਟੀ ਖਾਇ ॥੫॥   Since Baabar's rule has been proclaimed, even the princes have no food to eat. ||5||

ਇਕਨਾ ਵਖਤ ਖੁਆਈਅਹਿ ਇਕਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾ ਪੂਜਾ ਜਾਇ ॥   The Muslims have lost their five times of daily prayer, and the Hindus have lost their worship as well.

ਚਉਕੇ ਵਿਣੁ ਹਿੰਦਵਾਣੀਆ ਕਿਉ ਟਿਕੇ ਕਢਹਿ ਨਾਇ ॥   Without their sacred squares, how shall the Hindu women bathe and apply the frontal marks to their foreheads?

ਰਾਮੁ ਨ ਕਬਹੂ ਚੇਤਿਓ ਹੁਣਿ ਕਹਣਿ ਨ ਮਿਲੈ ਖੁਦਾਇ ॥੬॥   They never remembered their Lord as Raam, and now they cannot even chant Khudaa-i||6||

ਇਕਿ ਘਰਿ ਆਵਹਿ ਆਪਣੈ ਇਕਿ ਮਿਲਿ ਮਿਲਿ ਪੁਛਹਿ ਸੁਖ ॥   Some have returned to their homes, and meeting their relatives, they ask about their safety.

ਇਕਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾ ਏਹੋ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਬਹਿ ਬਹਿ ਰੋਵਹਿ ਦੁਖ ॥   For some, it is pre-ordained that they shall sit and cry out in pain.

ਜੋ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਸੋ ਥੀਐ ਨਾਨਕ ਕਿਆ ਮਾਨੁਖ ॥੭॥੧੧॥   Whatever pleases Him, comes to pass. O Nanak, what is the fate of mankind? ||7||11||

[CEO]

10 minutes ago, sikhni777 said:

SGGS Ang 417 has the answer. It is not basically karam alone it is Gods will as to why people become slaves. 

Here Guru JI has related what the ladies went through when Babar invaded India.

ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ਅਸਟਪਦੀਆ ਘਰੁ ੩   Raag Aasaa, First Mehl, Ashtapadees, Third House:

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥   One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

ਜਿਨ ਸਿਰਿ ਸੋਹਨਿ ਪਟੀਆ ਮਾਂਗੀ ਪਾਇ ਸੰਧੂਰੁ ॥   Those heads adorned with braided hair, with their parts painted with vermillion -

ਸੇ ਸਿਰ ਕਾਤੀ ਮੁੰਨੀਅਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਗਲ ਵਿਚਿ ਆਵੈ ਧੂੜਿ ॥   those heads were shaved with scissors, and their throats were choked with dust.

ਮਹਲਾ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਹੋਦੀਆ ਹੁਣਿ ਬਹਣਿ ਨ ਮਿਲਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਹਦੂਰਿ ॥੧॥   They lived in palatial mansions, but now, they cannot even sit near the palaces. ||1||

ਆਦੇਸੁ ਬਾਬਾ ਆਦੇਸੁ ॥   Hail to You, O Father Lord, Hail to You!

ਆਦਿ ਪੁਰਖ ਤੇਰਾ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ਕਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਦੇਖਹਿ ਵੇਸ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥   O Primal Lord. Your limits are not known; You create, and create, and behold the scenes. ||1||Pause||

ਜਦਹੁ ਸੀਆ ਵੀਆਹੀਆ ਲਾੜੇ ਸੋਹਨਿ ਪਾਸਿ ॥   When they were married, their husbands looked so handsome beside them.

ਹੀਡੋਲੀ ਚੜਿ ਆਈਆ ਦੰਦ ਖੰਡ ਕੀਤੇ ਰਾਸਿ ॥   They came in palanquins, decorated with ivory;

ਉਪਰਹੁ ਪਾਣੀ ਵਾਰੀਐ ਝਲੇ ਝਿਮਕਨਿ ਪਾਸਿ ॥੨॥   water was sprinkled over their heads, and glittering fans were waved above them. ||2||

ਇਕੁ ਲਖੁ ਲਹਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਬਹਿਠੀਆ ਲਖੁ ਲਹਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਖੜੀਆ ॥   They were given hundreds of thousands of coins when they sat, and hundreds of thousands of coins when they stood.

ਗਰੀ ਛੁਹਾਰੇ ਖਾਂਦੀਆ ਮਾਣਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਸੇਜੜੀਆ ॥   They ate coconuts and dates, and rested comfortably upon their beds.

ਤਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਗਲਿ ਸਿਲਕਾ ਪਾਈਆ ਤੁਟਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਮੋਤਸਰੀਆ ॥੩॥   But ropes were put around their necks, and their strings of pearls were broken. ||3||

ਧਨੁ ਜੋਬਨੁ ਦੁਇ ਵੈਰੀ ਹੋਏ ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹੀ ਰਖੇ ਰੰਗੁ ਲਾਇ ॥   Their wealth and youthful beauty, which gave them so much pleasure, have now become their enemies.

ਦੂਤਾ ਨੋ ਫੁਰਮਾਇਆ ਲੈ ਚਲੇ ਪਤਿ ਗਵਾਇ ॥   The order was given to the soldiers, who dishonored them, and carried them away.

ਜੇ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਦੇ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਜੇ ਭਾਵੈ ਦੇਇ ਸਜਾਇ ॥੪॥   If it is pleasing to God's Will, He bestows greatness; if is pleases His Will, He bestows punishment. ||4||

ਅਗੋ ਦੇ ਜੇ ਚੇਤੀਐ ਤਾਂ ਕਾਇਤੁ ਮਿਲੈ ਸਜਾਇ ॥   If someone focuses on the Lord beforehand, then why should he be punished?

ਸਾਹਾਂ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਗਵਾਈਆ ਰੰਗਿ ਤਮਾਸੈ ਚਾਇ ॥   The kings had lost their higher consciousness, reveling in pleasure and sensuality.

ਬਾਬਰਵਾਣੀ ਫਿਰਿ ਗਈ ਕੁਇਰੁ ਨ ਰੋਟੀ ਖਾਇ ॥੫॥   Since Baabar's rule has been proclaimed, even the princes have no food to eat. ||5||

ਇਕਨਾ ਵਖਤ ਖੁਆਈਅਹਿ ਇਕਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾ ਪੂਜਾ ਜਾਇ ॥   The Muslims have lost their five times of daily prayer, and the Hindus have lost their worship as well.

ਚਉਕੇ ਵਿਣੁ ਹਿੰਦਵਾਣੀਆ ਕਿਉ ਟਿਕੇ ਕਢਹਿ ਨਾਇ ॥   Without their sacred squares, how shall the Hindu women bathe and apply the frontal marks to their foreheads?

ਰਾਮੁ ਨ ਕਬਹੂ ਚੇਤਿਓ ਹੁਣਿ ਕਹਣਿ ਨ ਮਿਲੈ ਖੁਦਾਇ ॥੬॥   They never remembered their Lord as Raam, and now they cannot even chant Khudaa-i||6||

ਇਕਿ ਘਰਿ ਆਵਹਿ ਆਪਣੈ ਇਕਿ ਮਿਲਿ ਮਿਲਿ ਪੁਛਹਿ ਸੁਖ ॥   Some have returned to their homes, and meeting their relatives, they ask about their safety.

ਇਕਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾ ਏਹੋ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਬਹਿ ਬਹਿ ਰੋਵਹਿ ਦੁਖ ॥   For some, it is pre-ordained that they shall sit and cry out in pain.

ਜੋ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਸੋ ਥੀਐ ਨਾਨਕ ਕਿਆ ਮਾਨੁਖ ॥੭॥੧੧॥   Whatever pleases Him, comes to pass. O Nanak, what is the fate of mankind? ||7||11||

That is indeed strong. Babbar was the founder of Mughal, descendants of Mongols. Wasn't Babbar muslim? 

[jkvlondon]

1 hour ago, CEO said:

That is indeed strong. Babbar was the founder of Mughal, descendants of Mongols. Wasn't Babbar muslim? 

yes 

[CEO]

2 hours ago, sikhni777 said:

So why would Muslims lose their five daily prayers? If babbar is indeed muslim?