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9 hours ago, sikhni777 said:

Guru Nanak Dev jis parents performed a lot of bhagti in their past life for a pious son. That is why Guru Nanak Dev ji was born to them. Bibi Nanki was with Guru Nanak Dev Ji in many past lives as well. 

Our past bhagti and the reason for which we perform that bhagti will greatly influence the results which we get - no matter what gender you are. 

Bhagti cannot be inherited, however we are born to people who have similar avasta to ours. So we have been with our families for quite some time even before this janam. Slowly we changed as families to turn to Gurmat or away from it. Even one person who turns to Gurmat will save the whole family. This is because slowly - the mental attitude of all will start to change and turn to Gurmat. However this will happen over a repeated number of births - it is a slow process. ape beej ape hi kao

Where did you get this info from? Just curious as I've not heard about the Bibi Nanaki part. The bold part I do not agree, Bhagat Prahlad was a Pure GurSikh while his father was the total opposite, Bhagat Ji's avasta was far greater than his fathers, Who you are born into isn't really as simple as avasta, it's falls down just to karam and past deeds. There's an interesting story about rebirth in Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Ji's book. 

 

Here is a story of a sage, who engaged in hard penance all his life. However, it so happened with divine‐intervention, that while dying he aspired yearningly for progeny. The couriers of death included both yamas and angels on his death. He was thus escorted to the presence of Dharamrai. He had heavy credit balance of pious deeds, while the evil thoughts had assailed him only at the time of death. It was left for him to decide whether he preferred to go to heaven first to enjoy fruit of his good deeds or be done with punishment for his evil dying thought. It was made clear that punishment has to be gone through sooner or later. The sage preferred to dwell in heaven later on rather than earlier. He was reborn in the life of a sow. As sow, there was lot of progeny. On the expiry of this life of punishment, the yamas and angels re‐appeared to take the being to the hereafter. The angels enquired whether he was ready to be taken to heaven, now that he had seen a long life as a sow. The orders from Dharamrai are that you should now dwell in heaven. The astonishing reply came, that life as sow is preferable to enjoyment in heaven. The loving attachment to progeny did not permit a separation and appeared painful. The heavenly life was rejected as of no consequence. He pleaded in the name of Dharamrai to be left alone as sow to remain with beloved progeny. Seeing his depravity of mind, the angels reminded him of his life of penance and spiritual knowledge. When he was fully reawakened to his past memory, he felt highly ashamed. He then realized the hellish and hateful life that he had led as sow and repented much. He then readily accepted to be taken to heaven. Earlier he had gladly accepted the depraved life as sow. That is how last dying thought can undermine all meritorious deeds. It is only Gurmat Naam‐devotion, that allows not mind to waver from Divine‐ contemplation. Efficacious Naam with Effulgent‐Power reduces to ashes the past sins.

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When a spiritual soul comes down to Maat-lokh those from SatchKhand look for a worthy womb. They will wait until a mother also of high spiritual level is available and send the soul down to her. So it follows that the mother, who is already on Guru’s path would do naam/simran when she becomes pregnant for her baby.

 

When mother (or anyone) does naam/simran for herself then that benefit will go to her, if she does it for her unborn then that benefit will go to the baby. This is not restricted to unborn babies, if you do naam/simran in someone else’s name then all the benefit will go to them.

Infact, if you see a funeral procession going by make a point of doing a Chaupai Sahib or 5 Mool Mantras (or both!) for that body going by and the benefit will reach its soul, wherever it is.

 

Just think, maybe that soul may not have done much simran, infact most people don’t do any, and the soul is stuck some place, now you do Chaupai Sahib and that reaches the soul and it is let through whatever restriction it was in, how much thanks and blessing will that soul give to the person who has just helped it in such a frightening situation, you will have helped the soul move on and you will get blessing from your Guru also. One of the reason why we do a sehaj paath when a person dies.

 

Not just a funeral procession, if you see a road kill and an animal is lying dead do a chaupai Sahib for it and it will reach its soul. You are now doing “par-upkaar” and your Guru will be very pleased with you. 

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14 hours ago, Thanatos said:

Where did you get this info from? Just curious as I've not heard about the Bibi Nanaki part.

I was reading it in the Bhai Bala dhi sakhi. 

 

14 hours ago, Thanatos said:

Bhagat Prahlad was a Pure GurSikh while his father was the total opposite,

Bhagat Jis mum was the inspiration behind his jaap. We are always with someone who will guide us and take us into bhagti deeper. Our lives are a continuation from the last ones. 

His father was not totally bhagti less. His father performed a lot of tapasya in order to get the boon of not getting killed in the various ways which he requested for when Bhrama appeared to him. However Akankaar took the fruits of his bhagti away. 

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15 hours ago, Thanatos said:

Bhagat Ji's avasta was far greater than his fathers,

If his father would not have tested him, and left him alone.....would Bhagat Ji have attained the greatness with which we now know him. 

This is the khel of Waheguru.

Tudh aap vochoreya aap milaya.

If his father had not been possessed by ahankaar... we would not have this story from which we can learn and understand the greatness of Bhagat Ji. 

Also these tests were important in order to determine the devotion on bhagat ji. His father while having performed tapasya asked for life immortal on earth. This means that despite having performed tapasya his soul was not totally satisfied with life on this earth. He loved it too much and loved his raaj too much and wanted to live forever. The boon was granted to him, however he abused it by giving a hard time to God's bhagat. He was a sant ka dhokhi in other words and reaped the punishment which is given to sant ka dhokhi.

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14 hours ago, Bundha said:

Just think, maybe that soul may not have done much simran, infact most people don’t do any, and the soul is stuck some place, now you do Chaupai Sahib and that reaches the soul and it is let through whatever restriction it was in, how much thanks and blessing will that soul give to the person who has just helped it in such a frightening situation, you will have helped the soul move on and you will get blessing from your Guru also. One of the reason why we do a sehaj paath when a person dies.

 

I think this is also the reason why people when in great problems look for a pious sant or babaji whom they request to perform ardaas on their behalf. Many people would go a giani ji and have ardaas perfomed for them in the Guradwara. 

We should also not forget that we are able to perform bhagti or think about religious thoughts because Guru Ji has on our behalf requested from Waheguru to do kirpa on us and to forgive our various sins because of which we are in this life in the first place. That is why we say Waheguru.

Aese Gur ko bal bal jaiye. Aap mukat mohe tare.

Guru Ji is always there to take our hand and guide us. It is us who choose to either ignore or to accept their assistance and advice and guidance. 

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4 hours ago, sikhni777 said:

I was reading it in the Bhai Bala dhi sakhi. 

 

Bhagat Jis mum was the inspiration behind his jaap. We are always with someone who will guide us and take us into bhagti deeper. Our lives are a continuation from the last ones. 

His father was not totally bhagti less. His father performed a lot of tapasya in order to get the boon of not getting killed in the various ways which he requested for when Bhrama appeared to him. However Akankaar took the fruits of his bhagti away. 

 

There's no mention of Bhagat Ji's mother being the reason he wanted to do Jaap in Dasam Granth Bani, it only states that his teacher was the one who taught him, im 100% certain if this detail was important Guru Sahib would have put it down in his bani, if Bhagati is inherited as you say then Guru Sahib's children (every last one of them) wouldn't have walked away from Sikhi, even Gurbani criticises them, as the Sakhi from Bhai Sahib's book points out its alot more complex than simply spiritual states.

 

On a personal note I have noted that I was in the presence of an extremely highly spiritual person (I tend to call him a Mahapurkh but honestly I have no idea what his state was, only he would know), He was amritdhari, really high jaap doing person, he was even blessed with Ridhi Sidhis but his children strayed from the path of Sikhi, one of his sons cut his kesh and ate meat as well. So that Thesis of yours while it holds some merit isn't totally accurate.

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On 07/10/2016 at 8:25 AM, sikhni777 said:

Guru Nanak Dev jis parents performed a lot of bhagti in their past life for a pious son. That is why Guru Nanak Dev ji was born to them. Bibi Nanki was with Guru Nanak Dev Ji in many past lives as well. 

Our past bhagti and the reason for which we perform that bhagti will greatly influence the results which we get - no matter what gender you are. 

Bhagti cannot be inherited, however we are born to people who have similar avasta to ours. So we have been with our families for quite some time even before this janam. Slowly we changed as families to turn to Gurmat or away from it. Even one person who turns to Gurmat will save the whole family. This is because slowly - the mental attitude of all will start to change and turn to Gurmat. However this will happen over a repeated number of births - it is a slow process. ape beej ape hi kao

"Bhagti cannot be inherited, however we are born to people who have similar avasta to ours."

This doesn't make sense as you on the other hand are saying it is also. 

I don't think bhagti is inherited. I believe everybody comes with their own karam into the world.  I also believe that bhagti can be increased or begun in this life if it's not been brought over by last life's karam.  But I don't think bhagti is always inherited as the examples given by Thanatos Paji.  I also know families where the siblings are very spiritual and the parents are not. There's one family I know of, all the sisters but one are on different paths. Only one is Amritdhari and the others are practising different faiths, not even the one they were born from of their parents.  I believe that everybody is on their own spiritual journey due to their karam. 

 

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Thanatos said:

one of his sons cut his kesh and ate meat as well.

Bhai Rama Ji is one example of who cut his kesh and had alcohol and other vices. He was totally ignorant of Guru Ji's wisdom. This was because of one his bad karams. However when Guru Ji delivered him, then he started bhagti and kept kesh and became the provider of inspiration to millions of youth. He had been a Sikh of none other than Guru Gobind Singh Ji in the past. 

This is why we are told not to judge others.- Karmi apo apno ke nerhe ke dhoor. It is because of our actions that we are near or far to Waheguru. When he will look at us with kirpa dhristi, then we will truly be followers of the path with all our doubts being cast out and we will understand the understandable. 

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Except for Mahapurukhs, who can give a bit of their earned Naam Dhan to anybody whom they wish, it is their mauj.

For the rest of the beings, no body can do anything. Up to some extent it can give you some "gyan", but the bhakti for which brother Jacfsing2 asks for, it is about each individual´s kamaee in past births.

Our relation with Wahiguru is made on the basis of Bhakti, and each and every action of it is entered in our account by His grace.

We are souls, we have to evolve spiritually in order to become stainless and pure, and thus by His Grace, any little effort of ours in terms of bhakti is rewarded by Him multiplied, and as such, His daat never goes in waste, then naturally in our next births we continue from the point where we stopped in our previous births, cause He wants us to see us back as soon as possible.

That is why although we are humans alike, spiritually we are all at different levels, that is why so many of us disagree on so many points. The thing is then not to loose our balance, by letting the mind fill us with the poison of agyanta and vikaars.

Each person has a different level of consciousness.

That is why, even if we disagree with someone, we should not become angry nor try to throw our opinions on others, not because, they do not want to accept willingly, but, because they are not prepared to understand those views yet.

It is like talking about algebra or science, to a child(not physically of course, but at consciouss level) of a couple of years for example.

So going back, to the question of Bhakti as per the title of the O.P in this thread, yes, bhakti can be carried where we left in our past births.

And we have a practical  and a clear example on this topic, in another thread, where a sister is asking, if she has married a saint...

For me it is quite clear, he is carrying on with zeal and sincerity, his practice of bhakti, thus he is showered more and more Daya Meher by Wahiguru, in order to acelerate his progress and return back Home at His Lotus feet.

Sat Sree Akal.

 

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