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The Christian menace to Sikhi in Canada

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6 hours ago, BhForce said:

It's not the same thing. Evangelicals are Protestants, but not all Protestants are evangelicals

Well yh  evangelicals are protestants but not all protestants are evangelicals because protestant is an umbrella term for the many reform movements that separated themselves from the catholic church including the church of England. Protestant comes from the word protest. The movements started of as protests against the pope and all that catholic stuff.      King henry the 8th saw these protests and reformers as a ticket to break off from catholic church and get a divorce and make himself head of the english church 

 

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2 hours ago, puzzled said:

King henry the 8th saw these protests and reformers as a ticket to break off from catholic church and get a divorce and make himself head of the english church 

And chop off a few of his wives heads off..........great foundation for a 'religion'!

9 hours ago, BhForce said:

Older, more established churches tend to be Protestant, but not evangelical. Such as most Anglicans and Methodists. They are more moderate and usually mind their own business.

Unless they are attacking, colonising and committing genocide on another nonwhite nation......

 

9 hours ago, BhForce said:

Evangelical comes from the Greek meaning "good news". Basically, all non-Christians are going to Hell, and evangelicals believe in spreading the "good news" that you can be saved from going to Hell by accepting Jesus.

Oh, okay I get it! Basically just like sullay without the melanin though. 

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4 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

And chop off a few of his wives heads off..........great foundation for a 'religion'!

Yup!  Fornicator, adulterer, murderer, tyrant, and head of the church!   Not too different to when prince Charles is gonna become king and head of church! 

Popes who are heads of the catholic church were no different!  Murderers, tyrants, carried out massacres,  inquisitions, Some popes even used to hold orgies in the vatican because they felt their sins would be forgiven because they were "chosen"   some popes even slept with their sisters.   Popes have one of the darkest and  most evil history. Catholic church is responsible for the death of millions of people. 

It's one of the reasons why our gurus didnt give authority to any king or priest. 

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On 1/21/2020 at 12:23 PM, BhForce said:

Thanks for point this out. Though, there's also the fact that all Christians are not unified in that belief. It's true the Bible states that there are satan-derived religions, but that's different from saying a specific region is of the devil.

Some Christian preachers make that connection. Other denominations (like Unitarians) explicitly reject that.

Christian Internet / YouTube preachers have devised a method of grouping and dismissing all non-Semetic Eastern faiths as religions that promote and practice the Occult. It's a lazy and quicker way of warding off potential curiosity into an alternative religious path, or even just cordial feelings on the part of those Christians who aren't perhaps as informed on the details of other faiths, and therefore more susceptible to keeping ties and friendships with the likes of us. 

Scare the flock into believing we sacrifice chickens in a pentagram, and conduct séances to summon demons, and most people would run a mile. It's deviously effective and eliminates the need for time consuming debate and vichaar which might inadvertently highlight deficiencies in Christian thought. Unfortunately, they have the benefit of the doubt on their side in the minds of Westerners and those influenced by Western thought.

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9 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Scare the flock into believing we sacrifice chickens in a pentagram, and conduct séances to summon demons, and most people would run a mile. It's deviously effective and eliminates the need for time consuming debate and vichaar which might inadvertently highlight deficiencies in Christian thought.

Yup. Funny and accurate.

As for the Unitarians, they believe that when Jesus gave his sacrifice for humanity (as in their view), he gave it that one time for all humanity. You don't need to "accept" it by promising yourself to Jesus as your "Lord and Savior". That's why they call themselves "universalists".

By the way, that particular theory of sacrifice is referred to by some (liberal) Christians as God saving humanity from the wrath of God by sacrificing himself to God. Because otherwise everybody would go to Hell. For not being Christian.

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It's funny you're all saying what you're saying about Christians now but....I do recall....when there was a Christian girl here on this forum to 'spread the love of Jesus' I was the only one that took her on and you all held her in in support. Remember that ? Hypocrisy much ?

 

 

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6 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Christian Internet / YouTube preachers have devised a method of grouping and dismissing all non-Semetic Eastern faiths as religions that promote and practice the Occult. It's a lazy and quicker way of warding off potential curiosity into an alternative religious path, or even just cordial feelings on the part of those Christians who aren't perhaps as informed on the details of other faiths, and therefore more susceptible to keeping ties and friendships with the likes of us. 

Scare the flock into believing we sacrifice chickens in a pentagram, and conduct séances to summon demons, and most people would run a mile. It's deviously effective and eliminates the need for time consuming debate and vichaar which might inadvertently highlight deficiencies in Christian thought. Unfortunately, they have the benefit of the doubt on their side in the minds of Westerners and those influenced by Western thought.

In Europe there has been a rapid decline in Christianity. 

In the heyday of Christianity in the 1600s Europe, witchcraft was commonplace. 

If you look at pre-Christian Europe, there does seem to be elements of Dharma. 

Christianity took a lot from Greek philosophy as well since parts of the Eastern Mediterranean was Greek speaking.

Since the "enlightenment ", it seems that there has been a gradual move away from Christianity. 

 

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1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

In Europe there has been a rapid decline in Christianity. 

In the heyday of Christianity in the 1600s Europe, witchcraft was commonplace. 

If you look at pre-Christian Europe, there does seem to be elements of Dharma. 

Christianity took a lot from Greek philosophy as well since parts of the Eastern Mediterranean was Greek speaking.

Since the "enlightenment ", it seems that there has been a gradual move away from Christianity. 

The so-called Enlightenment was the beginning and the precursor to today's humanist liberalism, which is the Enlightenment on super steroids, where the individual is "God". 

You're correct in saying there was a mystical and rather Dharmic aspect to much of Christianity before that period, particularly where the great seats of learning were locatec from as far back as the Hellenic non-Christian period. The Church was to all intents and purposes the lingering remnants of the Roman Empire. It downsized and rebranded itself mostly out of necessity and outside pressure. 

The contemporary radical who lives by the doctrine of his learned comrades of previous centuries, lol, delights in the fall of the Church in the West, but what's arisen in its place? A soul-less, deviant, dead-eyed pursuit of materialism and self-gratification where the Self reigns supreme.

Modern Christianity is a mockery of its previous form. 

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7 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Christian Internet / YouTube preachers have devised a method of grouping and dismissing all non-Semetic Eastern faiths as religions that promote and practice the Occult. It's a lazy and quicker way of warding off potential curiosity into an alternative religious path, or even just cordial feelings on the part of those Christians who aren't perhaps as informed on the details of other faiths, and therefore more susceptible to keeping ties and friendships with the likes of us. 

Scare the flock into believing we sacrifice chickens in a pentagram, and conduct séances to summon demons, and most people would run a mile. It's deviously effective and eliminates the need for time consuming debate and vichaar which might inadvertently highlight deficiencies in Christian thought. Unfortunately, they have the benefit of the doubt on their side in the minds of Westerners and those influenced by Western thought.

I think they are a bit scared of the growing popularity of meditation in the west  (from various dharmic traditions) and how this affects the psyche of the rigid minded Abrahamic victims, freeing them of a lot of the dogmatic silliness therin. 

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33 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

The contemporary radical who lives by the doctrine of his learned comrades of previous centuries, lol, delights in the fall of the Church in the West, but what's arisen in its place?

Celebrity worship and Love Island culture. 

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They totally misrepresent Jesus who was (if we look at sources) not a quiet, pacifist (as represented)  but someone with strong backbone and conviction - enough  to directly challenge established ways that he felt were inhumane/corrupted and not back down, even in the face of death.

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1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

I think they are a bit scared of the growing popularity of meditation in the west  (from various dharmic traditions) and how this affects the psyche of the rigid minded Abrahamic victims, freeing them of a lot of the dogmatic silliness therin. 

Yes, I've noticed that, too. The number of videos on YouTube featuring people who discovered Eastern meditative practices, and then suddenly began to dabble in the occult -- as if that's the natural progression -- seems very suspicious to me. Of course, all they had to do was accept Christ as their Lord and Saviour, and they were free of the supernatural, lol. I tell you, Christianity is low-key taking the fight to the Eastern faiths through modern means of communication. They aren't messing about with trying to swell their numbers. Coupled with a certain section of society who had succumbed to the post-modern atheism / humanist movement of the last couple of decades (exemplified by celebrity atheists and so-called rationalists) but are now beginning to see the results of a spiritually devoid, rudderless, and empty existence, these people are now returning, quite tentatively, to rediscovering the faith and the traditions of their ancestors, realising that the structure and discipline that a belief in something bigger than ourselves provides, is infinitely more preferable to the nihilism they'd been lead to believe was the default.

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1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

Yes, I've noticed that, too. The number of videos on YouTube featuring people who discovered Eastern meditative practices, and then suddenly began to dabble in the occult -- as if that's the natural progression -- seems very suspicious to me. Of course, all they had to do was accept Christ as their Lord and Saviour, and they were free of the supernatural, lol. I tell you, Christianity is low-key taking the fight to the Eastern faiths through modern means of communication. They aren't messing about with trying to swell their numbers. Coupled with a certain section of society who had succumbed to the post-modern atheism / humanist movement of the last couple of decades (exemplified by celebrity atheists and so-called rationalists) but are now beginning to see the results of a spiritually devoid, rudderless, and empty existence, these people are now returning, quite tentatively, to rediscovering the faith and the traditions of their ancestors, realising that the structure and discipline that a belief in something bigger than ourselves provides, is infinitely more preferable to the nihilism they'd been lead to believe was the default.

Another thing I've noticed in England is a slow but perceptible interest in the previous nature based, pagan forms of worship that the indigenous used to believe in, before a spiritually dead, politically motivated form of protestantism was imposed on them - they've rejected Christianity in droves now (or have been made to like you mention above) and are looking for some spirituality to latch on to. It's not uncommon for them to go for Buddhist or Hindu type stuff as well - I think they are off put by the defensive militancy of Sikhi, which can alarm excessively tender sensibilities - even amongst some of our own more docile people. 

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These sort of racialised, effete pictorial representations couldn't be further from the truth of Jesus as he was:

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Okay, our lot are guilty of this too with some of our pictorial representations - to keep it real. I mean look at this purported contemporary image of Guru Tegh Bahadhur Maharaj compared to the modern image that is impressed on most of our minds:

 

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23 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Another thing I've noticed in England is a slow but perceptible interest in the previous nature based, pagan forms of worship that the indigenous used to believe in, before a spiritually dead, politically motivated form of protestantism was imposed on them - they've rejected Christianity in droves now (or have been made to like you mention above) and are looking for some spirituality to latch on to. It's not uncommon for them to go for Buddhist or Hindu type stuff as well - I think they are off put by the defensive militancy of Sikhi, which can alarm excessively tender sensibilities - even amongst some of our own more docile people. 

Funny you mention the above, because I recently met a fascinating guy. He's English but, as you mentioned, a follower of the old pre-Christian belief system minus any of the wiccan / overt feminine undertones to their practice. We got chatting about various things, and he said his "jatha's", for want of a better word, belief system is built on the idea of human incarnations of Odin manifesting on Earth. I was genuinely astounded at the claim, because it's a synthesis of almost two diametrically opposed systems, yet I later wondered whether it only seems a novelty to me due to the way the Semetic religions have completely steam-rolled and monopolised European faith for thousands of years.

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