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On 12/11/2016 at 8:16 AM, Akalifauj said:

Another person making the same claim, when the Jatts didn`t even know how to read English.  Plus you clearly didn`t read what was written.  In the last paragraph Lt.  General Sir MacMunn insults the Jats.  He says:

"The Jats of the Punjab, sturdy and quarrelsome, flocked to the new brotherhood (Khalsa), and he (Guru Gobind Singh) soon had a force which enabled him to try conclusions.......The Jat tribes about the Sutlej and the Ravi rivers hastened to join the faith…. No longer would they turn the cheek to their persecutor, and they began to group themselves by tribes and confederacies known as Misals…".

This writer says....no long would they (Jatt) turn the cheek to their persecutor....which means they (the Jatt) were afraid of the oppressor, but after joining the Khalsa Panth they will not be afraid of the persecutor.  This is not a compliment in any sense for the Jatt clan.  But shows the Jatt were weak and slaves. If the Jatt were so brainwashed by the British they would have read this line and reverted back to their Jatt clan and not taken to the Guru`s Hukam. 

People hate the Jatt clan just because they took to the Guru`s call for arming themselves and fought for the Guru.  Mainly the Kshatriya clan of Sikhs want to take the Jatt clan right away to say they were warriors because the Kshatriya, called themselves the warrior clan, but failed to accept the Guru`s Hukam.  Majority of the Kshatriya clan of Sikhs coward away and today in 1984 the same was observed.  Kept on cutting the heads of goats and applied blood to swords, but couldn`t defend the Akal Takht with rest of the Sikhs.  If the Jathedar of the Dharam Judh Morcha in 1984 was not a Jatt and a Kshatriya, the Kshatriya clan would have flocked down.  This shows these guys blame the Sikhs for being deeply rooted in their clan, but realistically, it`s the Kshatriya Sikhs who ignored the call for battle in 1984 because their clan was not at war.  And today it`s the same old thinking of flocking with the same clan.  They sit at Hazur Sahib calling themselves warriors, but can`t even eliminate the slavery from their necks. 

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1 hour ago, JSinghnz said:
On 10/12/2016 at 7:16 PM, Akalifauj said:

Another person making the same claim, when the Jatts didn`t even know how to read English.  Plus you clearly didn`t read what was written.  In the last paragraph Lt.  General Sir MacMunn insults the Jats.  He says:

"The Jats of the Punjab, sturdy and quarrelsome, flocked to the new brotherhood (Khalsa), and he (Guru Gobind Singh) soon had a force which enabled him to try conclusions.......The Jat tribes about the Sutlej and the Ravi rivers hastened to join the faith…. No longer would they turn the cheek to their persecutor, and they began to group themselves by tribes and confederacies known as Misals…".

This writer says....no long would they (Jatt) turn the cheek to their persecutor....which means they (the Jatt) were afraid of the oppressor, but after joining the Khalsa Panth they will not be afraid of the persecutor.  This is not a compliment in any sense for the Jatt clan.  But shows the Jatt were weak and slaves. If the Jatt were so brainwashed by the British they would have read this line and reverted back to their Jatt clan and not taken to the Guru`s Hukam. 

People hate the Jatt clan just because they took to the Guru`s call for arming themselves and fought for the Guru.  Mainly the Kshatriya clan of Sikhs want to take the Jatt clan right away to say they were warriors because the Kshatriya, called themselves the warrior clan, but failed to accept the Guru`s Hukam.  Majority of the Kshatriya clan of Sikhs coward away and today in 1984 the same was observed.  Kept on cutting the heads of goats and applied blood to swords, but couldn`t defend the Akal Takht with rest of the Sikhs.  If the Jathedar of the Dharam Judh Morcha in 1984 was not a Jatt and a Kshatriya, the Kshatriya clan would have flocked down.  This shows these guys blame the Sikhs for being deeply rooted in their clan, but realistically, it`s the Kshatriya Sikhs who ignored the call for battle in 1984 because their clan was not at war.  And today it`s the same old thinking of flocking with the same clan.  They sit at Hazur Sahib calling themselves warriors, but can`t even eliminate the slavery from their necks. 

The people who hated the lower castes turning the caste system on its head were the Brahmins and Kshatriyas whose privileged position in society was undermined , just imagine those hill rajas getting taught a lesson by farmers and lower echelons of society and that too with fearlessness never seen before , the 99% putting down the 1%.
Then those from those levels tried joining but they always were bhekhi think Dogras etc . they couldn't leave their entitled mentality behind .

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54 minutes ago, Preeet said:

Whatt? Other castes such as jat vaishyas hated lower castes too. During my parent's wedding langar, the jat aunties were asking my dad: why was everyone at the hall had were sitting together with low castes while eating, and my dad told them that if theyd like to join them  or they can go home.

Jatts being "lower" caste in the hindu caste system, were bullied by "higher" caste hindus/muslims, and were not allowed into masjid/mandirs, joined sikhi in large droves, esp in guru arjan/hargobinds time. If jatts make comments such as the one u say, its dumb, as their own ancestors went thru exact same treament at the hands of brahmin/butts, rajput/rajahs, pathans n gujjars.

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25 minutes ago, Preeet said:

We are lower than brahmin/kshytria, but we are not sudra. Im not sure which area of jats you are talking about, but my mom's side has a kul devi, and they were all hindu jats, they visited temples and had fire weddings, they were not discriminated against. 

Yea.....sure they wer'ent.......we believe u.

Jatts acc to YOUR hindu obsessed caste system r shudras, stop tryna change history.

U sound like modern day pak muslims who tell every1 theyre muslims 2day bcoz sufis converted their ancestors, wen in reality ur mind is living a nightmare.

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17 minutes ago, JSinghnz said:

When will this crap Hindu caste ist mindset change from these backward posters here? They are proud how low their ancestors were and comparing who was lower than them instead of appreciating the status of equality which Sikhi gave to all.

Well said JSinghz paji. 

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5 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

You can't see that this is rampant within our own society as well now? Seriously?

saying that it's a long standing disease amongst those who want to be hindu with great history to fall back on ...I mean who wants to identify with the rajputs and khastriyas who gave their daughters to firangi to keep their property and titles , or the fools who told the warriors to lay down their swords and shields so they could do tantra and mantras , or the cowards who converted at the drop of a hat? ...

Our history and bazurg are so pavittar all the other faiths want to claim sikhi is part of them ... only the fools who drank amrit and yet identified with caste labels and clans still are leaving it in droves mentally whilst dressing the part . It's shameful , but it is wrong to generalise that all different background groups are the same outlook. 

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On 11/12/2016 at 6:38 PM, dallysingh101 said:

Certain fudhus would like everyone to think so, but the reality is that there are plenty of poor jutts. They themselves are victims of all the attempted jutt supremacy, where the show off jutts overshadow them and because of their over projection of their financial success (which they invariably link to their caste), the poor ones are ignored. Many end up committing suicide. That's how stupid the other type of jutt is - he'll be bigging himself up about his money to no end, whilst the next struggling jutt is jumping into wells over his poverty. 

Jatt is not even on the caste spectrum as they were considered so low by the upper class brahmins. To this day they are and never have been recognised. at the end of the day. Caste is not an accurate marker of the pedegree of a race or community. 

Today jatts are poverty sticken people who are looked down upon in india. 

 

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