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8 minutes ago, genie said:

yup because I see majority of Sikhs are half baked at present times anyways. So focusing on quantity now will only be a positive thing.

Quality will always be small in number and it will become better with a big pool of demographics we will have in the future. Also quality is a personal thing for each Sikh to focus themselves on refining it shouldn't be our slogan.

I wish I could agree with this, but at the way things stand with how our people think and in the age of Apostasy, (where people change religions like buying cars), we have to focus better on improving how our Panth stands. Just ask yourself, how many Sikhs would say they are from Khalistan when a Non-Sikh were to ask where they are from? More Sikhs would respond India, we have to change our Ghulami minds to that of free people before talking about demographics. 30% of the Indian military is made-up of people with Sikh parents; while in India only 3% come from Muslim parents, this should tell us something on how our lot thinks. If our lot view their first identity as Indian, then what benefit do numbers matter? (Our thinking must improve).

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Just now, jkvlondon said:

why is everybody discounting the droves we could get from other nationalities with good parchaar because breeding them won't change anything much for a couple of decades by then it may be too late to turn Punjab.

Our people aren't very friendly towards converts, I don't know why? If you compare this to LDS or Jehovah Witness, you can tell that they are trying to be polite to gain converts. Sometimes our elders just tell them Non-Punjabi/Subcontinentals to F*ck off, (in the nicest way possible). I may say many things about Sikhs being the best, but if you compare how we would treat someone new to say a Christian, they latter actually pretends, (key word is pretend), to like the new ones, (they still are putting an act, but it's something).

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23 hours ago, BhForce said:

It's quite surprising how you would refer to a 20th century Sikh personality that most Sikhs know as "Bhai Randhir Singh" as "Randhir SIngh". If we can't even refer with respect to our own Sikh saints with respect, who will, Muslims?

Near to the end of Gurbani, there's a line that says referring to and addressing saintly Sikhs with respect (by saying "Ji") will earn you freedom from the Messengers of Death:

ਤੁਧੁ ਸਾਲਾਹਨਿ ਤਿਨ ਧਨੁ ਪਲੈ ਨਾਨਕ ਕਾ ਧਨੁ ਸੋਈ ॥

Those who praise You gather the wealth in their laps; this is Nanak's wealth.

ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ (ਮ: ੧) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੨੮ ਪੰ. ੭ 

ਜੇ ਕੋ ਜੀਉ ਕਹੈ ਓਨਾ ਕਉ ਜਮ ਕੀ ਤਲਬ ਨ ਹੋਈ ॥੪॥੩॥

Whoever shows respect to them is not summoned by the Messenger of Death. ||4||3||

So let us all refer to Mani Singh, Budha, Gurbachan Singh, Sunder Singh, Randhir Singh, Attar Singh, Gurdas, Kabeer, Puran Singh* and so on as Bhai Mani Singh ji Shaheed, Baba Buddha ji, Sant Giani Gurbachan Singh ji, Sant Giani Sunder Singh ji, Bhai Randhir Singh ji, Baba Attar Singh ji, Bhai Gurdas ji, Bhagat Kabir ji, Bhagat Puran Singh ji and so on.

*This is not an ordered list!

A nice post filled with respect and humbleness. 

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13 minutes ago, SinghSabha1699 said:

Exactly right and well stated Genie Bhai Sahib.

By ensuing a larger demographic pool of the wider Sikh Panth, more Amritdhari's of better quality will consequently arise. We see this clearly at Vaisakhi 1699. Only one Punjabi stood up out of millions of Punjabi's. Yet thankfully due to a wider Sikh Panth of Guru Sahib's time (Guru Sahib being Jagat Guru for the whole of humanity) four more of our Panj Piare stood up from as far afield as Gujarat to Orissa to Karnataka being their origins.

Sikhi will not make the breakthrough to becoming a truly global religion by insisting that newcomers to the faith cannot be sehajdhari. Only by accepting all those who attend Gurdwara as fellow Sikhs will we start to make inroads towards Sikh Panth becoming the largest Qaum in India which will in turn help us to assist the poor and oppressed for Sarbat da Bhala to a greater degree.

Where quality is more more important than quantity only applies to the Khalsa Panth in terms of ensuring drug takers and alcoholics or those who practise female infanticide or believe in biraderi apartheid do not take on Khalsa roop for the sole purpose of denigrating the Khalsa Panth.

 

I agree with you, however I can see slowly we are making our brainwashed kaum realise demographics and Sikh quantity is important.

If we can provide historical references how our enemies (oppressive hindutva brahminwad caste system and oppressive hill raja's, barbaric islamic invaders rulers, brutal british christian missionary racist empire) didnt want Sikhi to spread and how our Guru's did and our historical heros also did wanted it to spread then we can reverse the brainwashing they have gone through.

And yes quality of Sikhi is more important in khalsa roop than sehajdhari roop Sikhs. Since 1850s (basically defeat of the Sikh empire) to present day the SGPC and other orgs and leaders have tried to enforce keshdhari /  Khalsa roop on all Sikhs making the huge mistake and blunder that hugely cut down our population which lead to  genocides of 1947 and 1984. So it is vitally important our kaum understand why we need to convert people to Sikhi and revive Sikhi in ignorant atheist punjabi people that are born into Sikh families but have no idea what Sikh history is what Sikh politics is and what real Sikh teachings are.

These naive hippy liberal Sikhs go around brainwashed with slogans of "kings are born from her" (feminists) or "sarbat da bhalla" (socialists) or "nirvay nirboha" (hedonists) nice slogans but they fail to understand what these quotes really mean in a Sikh context. These people only use those quotes on their social media for their own anti-sikh lifestyles and some how try to justify it with a few lines of gurbani thinking thats what sikhi is complete and utter lost sheeple's.

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The last thing I would like to see is Sikhs become like zoroastrians (Parsis) . A world of wealth they have but numbers no more than 2 lacs worldwide ! 

Migrating out of their land and dying elsewhere at a community level ! 

25-30 million is not enough ! We need more and more prachar and kids . Call me prude ! 

 

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3 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

The last thing I would like to see is Sikhs become like zoroastrians (Parsis) . A world of wealth they have but numbers no more than 2 lacs worldwide ! 

Migrating out of their land and dying elsewhere at a community level ! 

25-30 million is not enough ! We need more and more prachar and kids . Call me prude ! 

 

You can't convert to Zoroastrianism, people can convert to Sikhi, relatively easily, (you can't ever truly convert to Hinduism, but at this point they have too many small-time worshippers that it doesn't make a difference).

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A lot of this adherence stuff is a numbers game.

We are stuck into playing the old Abrahamic framework.

This abrahmic structure suits those desert based tribal ideologies. That system needs to be dismantled.

The west needs to be dharmified. And then their cultural/soft power needs to be extended to reduce the Abrahamic influences in other countries.

 

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6 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

The last thing I would like to see is Sikhs become like zoroastrians (Parsis) . A world of wealth they have but numbers no more than 2 lacs worldwide ! 

Migrating out of their land and dying elsewhere at a community level ! 

25-30 million is not enough ! We need more and more prachar and kids . Call me prude ! 

 

Very succinct description of the problem. The Parsis are slowly (quickly?) dying out. They still refuse to do anything which would allay the situation.

 Migrating out of their land and dying elsewhere at a community level ! 

That's what I've heard a lot of Sikhs say: That it's OK Sikhism will die out in India, and it will be strong outside of India. The reality is more like it will die in India and then die in the West, too, with the views of some our people.

We need to have a strong base in our homeland. This should be patently obvious, but most Sikhs seem to be content in de-populating Punjab and then going on to have the one kid in the West or marrying out.

Call me prude !

I'll call you prudent!

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4 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

You can't convert to Zoroastrianism, people can convert to Sikhi, relatively easily, (you can't ever truly convert to Hinduism, but at this point they have too many small-time worshippers that it doesn't make a difference).

Zoroastrians are self-sabotaging community ! Here in mumbai , there are most of what they're in India ! 

If I were a zoroastrian youth , I would give up everything and use all the money (they're filthy rich) of community and dedicate myself to resuscitating the community.

With population less than 1 lacs in india , high death rate, low birth rates, people marrying outside community , Parsis must be hearing the death knell by now. 

But then again , perhaps somewhere I feel zoroastrians themselves have a self-loathing of sorts, first because they feed their dead to vultures , and with virtually no vultures since 90s in india , their dead bodies keep rotting/drying in their towers of silence. They have 3 such here in mumbai as well . On other hand, they don't accept the ones who marry outside the faith ! And secondly as you said, they don't accept converts ! 

BUT , now coming to main point , I don't want to see sikhi heading the same path ! We need to breed like anything ! 

We're at risk of losing punjab . Didn't we have a punjabi suba movement back then in the 60s as a suger-coated way of asking for a sikh majority state !? Even the gandhis knew sikhs wanted a sikh majority state and not a punjabi majority one ! 

With all the bihari / UP  (?)  hindu migration in punjab we're not only losing demographic battle, but also political and social one ! 

 

As I have said many times before, just any broadcast from punjab shows me more of these "Punjabi" boys who think they're sikhs but don't have dastar on their heads ! those who have dastar don't have unshorn beards ! The ones who have unshorn beards don't care about sikhi and tend to be thick skulled ! 

 

Hindus are not only getting aggressive. Today or tomorrow , they're going to stand in elections too. And not the ordinary hindu , I am talking of rabid right-wing hindutva "shiv sena" types ! 

 

Recent "lalkaar" of them by wearing kirpans and rallying , imitating sikh ardas and other such incidents prove they're teasing us because they know we're declining in Punjab ! 

Everyday I am tired of seeing Christian missionaries on DD Punjabi (state run channel) at prime time (9 pm) .  Why couldn't we have our gursikhi shows at prime time on subscriber-free DD channel ! Muslim population in punjab has grown the most (as recent census showed). Hindu growth was next best , the christian too ! 

Guess who's having least growth ? 

I want to see our youth as majority in our state ! I wish to see more turbans and less of these GHADDAR HAIR CUT TYPES ! 

WAKE UP SIKHO ! PLEASE ! BENTI 

 

thanks for reading . Lets act now 

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