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10 hours ago, Singhkhalsa19842020 said:

Guru Gobind Singh ji said Khalsa Panth is Guru too. 

The panth made Sikh Rehat Maryada in 1945. 

No one is allowed to change it. Same way no one should change the 4 Bujjer Kurehits. 

AKJ changed the Maryada and so did Damdami Taksaal. 

This is wrong. 

The Akal Takht, the panth maryada says no halal meat. Thats what it should be. 

No one is allowed to change that. 

Unfortunately Sikhs have now fallen victim to budh mat, brahmin mat, jain mat. 

Meat is allowed in sikhism but not Halal. 

How ever the Gurdwara must accommodate all so thats why it is veg. 

I am a Gursikh who follows the Akal Takht Maryada and occasionally i do eat jatka meat. 

Sant Maskeen ji had a beautiful katha about this 

Heres the link please watch it, and stop with the nonsense, Guru Nanak dev ji said only fools argue over a diet. Dont mix Jain, brahmin and hindu religion in with Sikhi. 

Guru hunted and ate meat. 

There is life in saag too said Guru Nanak Dev ji. 

Just make sure the meat your getting is Organic Farm raised, NOT MASS BUTCHER FACTORY. 

The animal must live a humane life, and must not be ritualistically killed. 

People the diet is a personal choice. 

We have our Guru Granth sahib ji and our Khalsa panth. We are not allowed to change maryada. The Panth made. That includes the 4 Bujjer Kurehit 

Shame on anyone who did . 

Only FOOLS argue over a diet. 

Listen to Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj 

And listen to this youtube clip of Sant Maskeen ji katha. 

Waheguru ji ka khalsa 

Waheguru ji ke fateh

The Panth isn't just the SGPC veer ji. 

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On 10/12/2019 at 12:34 AM, GurjantGnostic said:

The Panth isn't just the SGPC veer ji. 

Brother Members of all jathebandi were present 

Not just SGPC 

My brother watch the katha on Sikh Rehat Maryada by Bhai Jagraj Singh 

 

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1 hour ago, Singhkhalsa19842020 said:

Brother Members of all jathebandi were present 

Not just SGPC 

My brother watch the katha on Sikh Rehat Maryada by Bhai Jagraj Singh 

 

I don't think Budha Dal and Tarna Dal fauja were present, so the main practitioners of rehit weren't even present, everyone else was just not good enough to make any authentic type of maryada!

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12 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

I don't think Budha Dal and Tarna Dal fauja were present, so the main practitioners of rehit weren't even present, everyone else was just not good enough to make any authentic type of maryada!

So your saying budha dal and tarna dal is the panth? 

Like everyone else doesnt matter ? 

What about damdami taksaal, and Akj. what  About about their kurbani? 

Everyone was present when making the Sikh Rehat maryada. It was made so stupid arguments like whether "meat is allowed or not" doesnt come up. And its sad to see, our panth is divided into different jathebandi and different maryadas. 

It took 15 years to make the 30 page Sikh Rehat Maryada by the panth. Khalsa panth is Guru. And we should follow only that maryada. 

No one is allowed to change it. And no one should change the bujjer Kurehits. 

 

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27 minutes ago, Singhkhalsa19842020 said:

So your saying budha dal and tarna dal is the panth? 

Like everyone else doesnt matter ? 

What about damdami taksaal, and Akj. what  About about their kurbani? 

Everyone was present when making the Sikh Rehat maryada. It was made so stupid arguments like whether "meat is allowed or not" doesnt come up. And its sad to see, our panth is divided into different jathebandi and different maryadas. 

It took 15 years to make the 30 page Sikh Rehat Maryada by the panth. Khalsa panth is Guru. And we should follow only that maryada. 

No one is allowed to change it. And no one should change the bujjer Kurehits. 

 

how can you say everyone was present if Budha Dal and Tarna Dal were not present?

The kurbani of everyone else should never be forgotten, but the lack of experience in rehit means that a maryada is incomplete unless fully rehitvaan Singhs have their say in it.

 

Without the experience of Dal panth and Hazoori Singh we can never have a full rehit.

Also the fact that this maryada allows you to normalise skipping 2 lines from Kabyo Baach Benti is just really disgusting!

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On 10/16/2019 at 6:48 AM, ipledgeblue said:

how can you say everyone was present if Budha Dal and Tarna Dal were not present?

The kurbani of everyone else should never be forgotten, but the lack of experience in rehit means that a maryada is incomplete unless fully rehitvaan Singhs have their say in it.

 

Without the experience of Dal panth and Hazoori Singh we can never have a full rehit.

Also the fact that this maryada allows you to normalise skipping 2 lines from Kabyo Baach Benti is just really disgusting!

Your right about the 2 lines i don't agree with skipping the 2 lines from Chaupai Sahib too. 

Even though i follow the Sikh Rehat Maryada and respect it i choose to do all of Kabyo Baach Benti. Thats my choice

Sikh Rehat Maryada is the minimum required. If you wanna do more Bani thats Great. Chardi kala. Thats your choice. 

If you want to avoid halal. Your choice 

If you want to avoid meat altogether. Thats fine too 

Lets not attach dietary guidelines with sikhism. 

Even Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj says in a very long pankti that Fools argue over this. Saag has life too. So does the micro organisms we breath. But we don't cover our mouths like jains. And we are not hindus who avoid eggs. Even though unfertilized eggs are vegetarian. Thats a different topic. 

This is Not SGPC maryada

This is Akal Takht maryada

Watch this link Bhai Jagraj Singh 

Lets not divide the panth with different maraydas. Your dietary options will not bring you closer to Waheguru. Jap Naam. 

 

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।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖ਼ਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹਿ। 

Please read this article by Bhai Manvir singh ji. Very insightful and clears up a lot of confusion. 

http://manvirsingh.blogspot.com/2015/11/different-views-on-meat-reflections-on.html?m=1

ਜਉ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਕਹਤ ਹਉ ਤਉ ਕਿਉ ਮੁਰਗੀ ਮਾਰੈ ||੧||
“You say that the One Lord is in all, so why do you kill chickens? ||1||” (Prabhaatee Kabeer Ji, Ang 1350)

Hukamnama of Guru Hargobind Ji found at Sri Harmandir Sahib, Patna Sahib (published in Hukamname, edited by Gandha Singh), which states:

ਮਾਸ ਮਛੀ ਦੇ ਨੇੜੇ ਨਹੀਂ ਆਵਣਾ ||
"Do not come near (i.e. consume) meat and fish."
 
।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖ਼ਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹਿ। 
Edited by RajKaregaKhalsa1

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ਸਿੰਘਰੁਚੈਸਦਭੋਜਨੁਮਾਸ॥
ਸਿੰਘ ਰੁਚੈ ਸਦ ਭੋਜਨੁ ਮਾਸ॥


Singh Ruchai Saad bhojan maas.

The Lion always eats meat.

SikhiToTheMax definition: The tiger always wants to eat meat.

ਅੰਗ: ੧੧੮੦

Ang: 1180

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On 8/6/2017 at 6:40 PM, singh598 said:

Farid says rukhee sukhee kaheh keh tanda panee peo

 

Eat simple basic food and drink water, don't look at quality elegant foods

give the whole pangti veer ji

Rukhee sukhee kaheh ke tanda pani peo

Dekh pariaia chopardian nah tarsaheh jio.

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On 8/10/2017 at 11:15 PM, Kira said:

Yeah the Gurudwara I attend loves making Saag for some reason, they put garlic in it. 

that's sad that they are breaking langar maryada for swaad ras , as far as I can remember every gurdwara I have been to or did sewa in  , in my life , refused to buy or have have lasan in the building just in case someone used it . It is not nice to make people's breath foul after eating langar on a basic level, and worse still affect their physiology to be more garam and more likely to be negative .

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On 10/5/2019 at 5:11 AM, Not2Cool2Argue said:

It's from living in America and coming into contact with vegans that I realized the importance of respecting cows. You see, here in America, the most disgusting and sad places are places where animals are grown like dairy farms, pig, duck, chicken farms. The animals are kept in cages, with no room to move, and their bodily waste accumulates around them.  They develop diseases but instead of washing them, they are fed a ton of antibiotics and hormones. And they are grown so fat, they can no longer stand or support their weight. Then they are taken for slaughter. But as vegetarians, we don't really have to worry about the karma of places like this...except we do. Dairy farms are the worst. The cows must be impregnated again and again to keep producing quality milk and if the child is male, it is sent to slaughter houses. And the cows become really week from years of milk giving until they collapse. Then they are sent to slaughterhouses for meat for dog food etc. 

And as milk drinkers, we are part of this sad cycle. It is the whole reason for keeping cows in captivity and impregnating them. As long as the dairy industry exists, beef will be made and sold as male offspring have to be used up somehow. 

You guys are lucky in India, you get your milk from cows which are not harmed. so less bad karma. Our ancestors or lets say the pandits, were wise. The only animal we domesticate and use in India is the cow and bull. So to make sure we don't get any bad karma, they told the peasants to treat the cow as a goddess. And to this day, that belief has helped cows not get killed. People protested selling cows to Pakistan, people let them roam free on roads rather then send them to slaughter houses. And this is for the benefit of us all. Ofc, people are bad too. They let the cows go free when they become too old for milk. The cow that served them the whole life is abandoned. Also, male children of cows are stolen from the cow and also let on the street. 

I think the reason buffalos and goats aren't as respected is because they are not domesticated. And can survive on their own in the wild and have terrible tempers and are not as defenseless as cows.

We need to do more to support the cow and other domesticated animals. I know people who want to start a humane dairy, but there is one problem. What do we do about the male children of the cow? Bulls are no longer needed in agriculture. And it will get expensive to just house and feed them. 

 

bro ,

don't kid yourself all dairy everywhere has drugged up and slaughtered cows including India , India is one of the largest beef exporters  on the planet . Yeah it may have been different in the days of our great grands but these days even in the pind they are injecting hormones into the cows to increase milk yields . The more India follows western farming methods the more disease and pain the animals are induring , gone are the days when the bibian would boil up bucklian (kala channey) and enrich them with gurd to feed to the cow to ensure her milk is good for the calf (my nani would do this ) please make sure the two were kept in calm  quiet area to be together . India is strange they claim the cow as their mother but it is only the desi cow , not muj , fresian or jersey varieties imported , but then they let their 'mother ' eat rubbish , roam around endangering people's lives on the road . Waheguru ji give them sense

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I think its one of those things that when you get to that level of spirituality, you know what is right and what is wrong. I'm still a mahapapi so I eat meat but avoid halal. Try to do simran everyday, slowly learning Gurmukhi and reading Baani.

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On 8/10/2017 at 9:36 PM, Guest JKaur said:

Actually, not just plants and trees but also rocks, mountains and everything! Don't need to say more, just read. 

ਗਉੜੀ ਗੁਆਰੇਰੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ 
Ga▫oṛī gu▫ārerī mėhlā 5.
Gauree Gwaarayree, Fifth Mehl:

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਭਏ ਕੀਟ ਪਤੰਗਾ 
Ka▫ī janam bẖa▫e kīt paṯangā.
In so many incarnations, you were a worm and an insect;

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਗਜ ਮੀਨ ਕੁਰੰਗਾ 
कई जनम गज मीन कुरंगा ॥
Ka▫ī janam gaj mīn kurangā.
in so many incarnations, you were an elephant, a fish and a deer.

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਪੰਖੀ ਸਰਪ ਹੋਇਓ 
Ka▫ī janam pankẖī sarap ho▫i▫o.
In so many incarnations, you were a bird and a snake.

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਹੈਵਰ ਬ੍ਰਿਖ ਜੋਇਓ ॥੧॥
Ka▫ī janam haivar barikẖ jo▫i▫o. ||1||
In so many incarnations, you were yoked as an ox and a horse. ||1||

ਮਿਲੁ ਜਗਦੀਸ ਮਿਲਨ ਕੀ ਬਰੀਆ 
Mil jagḏīs milan kī barī▫ā.
Meet the Lord of the Universe - now is the time to meet Him.

ਚਿਰੰਕਾਲ ਇਹ ਦੇਹ ਸੰਜਰੀਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ 
Cẖirankāl ih ḏeh sanjarī▫ā. ||1|| rahā▫o.
After so very long, this human body was fashioned for you. ||1||Pause||

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਸੈਲ ਗਿਰਿ ਕਰਿਆ 
Ka▫ī janam sail gir kari▫ā.
In so many incarnations, you were rocks and mountains;

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਗਰਭ ਹਿਰਿ ਖਰਿਆ 
Ka▫ī janam garabẖ hir kẖari▫ā.
in so many incarnations, you were aborted in the womb;

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਸਾਖ ਕਰਿ ਉਪਾਇਆ ॥.
Ka▫ī janam sākẖ kar upā▫i▫ā.
in so many incarnations, you developed branches and leaves;

ਲਖ ਚਉਰਾਸੀਹ ਜੋਨਿ ਭ੍ਰਮਾਇਆ ॥੨॥
Lakẖ cẖa▫orāsīh jon bẖarmā▫i▫ā. ||2||
you wandered through 8.4 million incarnations. ||2||

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਿ ਭਇਓ ਜਨਮੁ ਪਰਾਪਤਿ 
Sāḏẖsang bẖa▫i▫o janam parāpaṯ.
Through the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, you obtained this human life.

ਕਰਿ ਸੇਵਾ ਭਜੁ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ 
Kar sevā bẖaj har har gurmaṯ.
Do seva - selfless service; follow the Guru's Teachings, and vibrate the Lord's Name, Har, Har.

ਤਿਆਗਿ ਮਾਨੁ ਝੂਠੁ ਅਭਿਮਾਨੁ 
Ŧi▫āg mān jẖūṯẖ abẖimān.
Abandon pride, falsehood and arrogance.

ਜੀਵਤ ਮਰਹਿ ਦਰਗਹ ਪਰਵਾਨੁ ॥੩॥
Jīvaṯ marėh ḏargėh parvān. ||3||
Remain dead while yet alive, and you shall be welcomed in the Court of the Lord. ||3||

ਜੋ ਕਿਛੁ ਹੋਆ ਸੁ ਤੁਝ ਤੇ ਹੋਗੁ 
Jo kicẖẖ ho▫ā so ṯujẖ ṯe hog.
Whatever has been, and whatever shall be, comes from You, Lord.

ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ਕਰਣੈ ਜੋਗੁ 
Avar na ḏūjā karṇai jog.
No one else can do anything at all.

ਤਾ ਮਿਲੀਐ ਜਾ ਲੈਹਿ ਮਿਲਾਇ 
Ŧā milī▫ai jā laihi milā▫e.
We are united with You, when You unite us with Yourself.

ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਇ ॥੪॥੩॥੭੨॥
Kaho Nānak har har guṇ gā▫e. ||4||3||72||
Says Nanak, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, Har, Har. ||4||3||72||

Beautiful

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On 10/17/2019 at 1:28 PM, Singhkhalsa19842020 said:

 

If you want to avoid halal. Your choice 

If you want to avoid meat altogether. Thats fine too 

Lets not attach dietary guidelines with sikhism. 

But let's not forget that Kuttha (halal) is bujjar kurahit, and this is in Akal Takht maryada. so it's not a choice it is a kurahit

 

On 10/17/2019 at 7:49 PM, RajKaregaKhalsa1 said:

।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖ਼ਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹਿ। 

Please read this article by Bhai Manvir singh ji. Very insightful and clears up a lot of confusion. 

http://manvirsingh.blogspot.com/2015/11/different-views-on-meat-reflections-on.html?m=1

ਜਉ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਕਹਤ ਹਉ ਤਉ ਕਿਉ ਮੁਰਗੀ ਮਾਰੈ ||੧||
“You say that the One Lord is in all, so why do you kill chickens? ||1||” (Prabhaatee Kabeer Ji, Ang 1350)

Hukamnama of Guru Hargobind Ji found at Sri Harmandir Sahib, Patna Sahib (published in Hukamname, edited by Gandha Singh), which states:

ਮਾਸ ਮਛੀ ਦੇ ਨੇੜੇ ਨਹੀਂ ਆਵਣਾ ||
"Do not come near (i.e. consume) meat and fish."
 
।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖ਼ਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹਿ। 

Manvir Singh is not a trustable person. Also he is jatha biased towards dietary chocies. Also this hukumnama is unverified and is also associated as being "discovered" by this jatha/jathebandi as well

7 hours ago, startingsikh said:

I think its one of those things that when you get to that level of spirituality, you know what is right and what is wrong. I'm still a mahapapi so I eat meat but avoid halal. Try to do simran everyday, slowly learning Gurmukhi and reading Baani.

instead of being mahapappi, eat mahaprasad... 

Read some of Guru Gobind singh baani such as Chandi di Vaar, Ugardanti, Shastarnaammala, long length Chaupai Sahib (starting from Mahakal)

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On 11/7/2019 at 2:37 PM, jkvlondon said:

bro ,

don't kid yourself all dairy everywhere has drugged up and slaughtered cows including India , India is one of the largest beef exporters  on the planet . Yeah it may have been different in the days of our great grands but these days even in the pind they are injecting hormones into the cows to increase milk yields . The more India follows western farming methods the more disease and pain the animals are induring , gone are the days when the bibian would boil up bucklian (kala channey) and enrich them with gurd to feed to the cow to ensure her milk is good for the calf (my nani would do this ) please make sure the two were kept in calm  quiet area to be together . India is strange they claim the cow as their mother but it is only the desi cow , not muj , fresian or jersey varieties imported , but then they let their 'mother ' eat rubbish , roam around endangering people's lives on the road . Waheguru ji give them sense

My point was to explain why we must not kill cows or eat beef as sikhs. 

 

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