Guest Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 Credits to @Jacfsing2 for pointing these Puratan Samprada's out for me. Khalsa "Khalsa (Punjabi: "the pure") refers to both a special group of initiated Sikh warriors, as well as the community that considers Sikhism as its faith. The Khalsa tradition was initiated in 1699 by the last living Guru of Sikhism, Guru Gobind Singh. Its formation was a key event in the history of Sikhism. The founding of Khalsa is celebrated by Sikhs during the festival of Vaisakhi, the Sikh new year. Guru Gobind Singh started the Khalsa tradition after his father had been beheaded for resisting the religious persecution of non-Muslims during the rule the Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb. The Khalsa redefined the Sikh tradition from the start. It formulated an initiation ceremony (amrit pahul, nectar ceremony) and rules of conduct for the Khalsa warriors. It created a new institution for the temporal leadership of the Sikhs, replacing the masands system maintained by the earlier Gurus of Sikhism. Additionally, the Khalsa provided a political and religious vision for the Sikh community. Upon initiation, a Khalsa Sikh was given the titles of Singh (male) and Kaur (female). The rules of life, included behavioral code (Rahit, such as no tobacco, no alcohol, no halal meat), and a dress code (Five Ks).The initiated Khalsa is also a warrior with a duty to protect the innocent from any form of religious persecution. The Sikhs who revere the teachings of Sikh gurus, but have not undergone the initiation have been called Sahajdhari. A Sahajdhari Sikhs do not accept some or all elements of the dress and behavioral codes of the Khalsa Sikhs. The Khalsa has been predominantly a male institution in Sikh history, with Khalsa authority in male leaders. In contemporary era, it has become more open to women." 5ks: Kesh Kanga Kirpan Kachera Kara Bujjar Kuherits: Not to disturb the natural growth of the hairs. Not to eat meat of any animal slaughtered. (Some may argue Jhakta is allowed which is instantaneous strike to the head) Cohabiting with a person other than one's spouse. Using tobacco or alcohol. - Anyone who breaks these 4 sins has broken the Amrit and the boost of naam their panj gave them, and will need to retake amrit to become a Khalsa again. http://new.sgpc.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Raj-Karega-Khalsa.pdf http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://old.sgpc.net/CDN/Sikh_Rehat_Maryada_English.pdf&gws_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=puO8WZ63GsKbgAb3h7XwBQ Udasi (Sect of Baba Sri Chand) * Udasis wear clothes of ochre colour – Sikhs do not. * Udasis may or may not have long hair – Sikhs are enjoined to. Cutting the hair is an act of apostasy. * Udasis are not enjoined to keep the five kakkaars – Sikhs are. * Udasis need not be initiated in the ceremony of Pahul – Sikhs must. * Caps are the peculiar badges of Udasis – Sikhs are prohibited from wearing them. * Udasis observe Hindu rites and ceremonies – Sikhs do not. * The chief object of worship of Udasis is the ball of ashes – this is condemned by the Sikhs. Udasis adore samadhs – Sikhs do not. * Udasis may smoke – Sikhs may not. Smoking is an act of apostasy. * Udasis employ Brahmins – Sikhs are not allowed to. * Udasis perform shraadh (ancestral rites of offering food to the dead) – Sikhs do not. * Udasis observe the caste system – Sikhs do not. http://www.sikhanswers.com/sikh-history-personalities/what-do-you-know-of-udaasis/ Udasi is a religious sect of ascetic sadhus based on the teachings of Sri Chand (1494–1643), the son of Guru Nanak, the founder and the first Guru of Sikhism. The Udasis do not reject the Sikh Gurus, but attach greater importance to the line of succession from Guru Nanak through Sri Chand to the Udasi mahants. They interpret the message of Guru Granth Sahib in Vedantic terms. They do not abide by the Khalsa's Rehat Maryada. "The Udasis were key interpreters of the Sikh philosophy and the custodians of important Sikh shrines until the Akali movement. They brought a large number of people in the Sikh fold during the 18th and the early 19th centuries. However, their religious practicies border on a syncretism of Sikhism and Hinduism. When the Singh Sabha, dominated by Khalsa Sikhs, redefined the Sikh identity in the early 20th century, the Udasi mahants were expelled from the Sikh shrines. Since then, the Udasis have increasingly regarded themselves as Hindus rather than Sikhs." Nirmala Credits to @Mahakaal96 When Dasam patshah sent 5 Singhs to Benares to learn sanskriti etc they were denied access to the ashrams in Benares because of the maryada of those ashrams not allowing weapons etc. The Singhs returned to mahraj & told them what had happened & mahraj then gave them hukam to remove their shaster & gave them peach coloured bana to wear & sent them back to Benares to learn all the vidya then come back & teach all the other Singhs.... this was the birth of the Nirmala Samparda. Some Nimalas even today wear peach coloured robes & do not carry weapons... they are strictly scholars/sants. http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Nirmala https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirmala_(sect) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utq09DW6yWo Sevapanthi http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Sewapanthi "Guru Gobind Singh Sahib, when he envisioned a Sikh nation, he envisioned the entire world as his realm, and not just a particular geographical area. Similarly, the All-Knowing Guru, in keeping with the traditional ways of the preceeding Gurus, knowing the core philosophies of Guru Nanak Dev Ji, envisioned an all-inclusive Sikh nation, rejecting the exclusive norms of other faiths. Understanding the ways of the Creator, he allowed some diversity and some distinguished ways within it, and personally and specifically blessed Nirmalas and Seva-Panthis. Earlier, Guru Ram Das Sahib honored and acknowledged Baba Sri Chand, founder of the Udaasi Samprada, as per Guru Nanak Dev Ji's blessing to Mata Sulakhni, for her sons. Again, Guru Hargobind Sahib, offered his eldest son Baba Gurditta and the father of Guru Har RaiSahib, as successor to Baba Sri Chand. These distinguished ways or paths are termed ‘sampardaya’ or 'samprada'. This term has, in the past, been wrongly mis-interpreted or conveyed to the public as ‘sects’ or a ‘cults’, terms that incorrectly imply deviation, arising from dissent with practised beliefs. The term samparda does not mean ‘sect’, but rather order, as in an order of monks. In this sense a sampardaya represents one among several mutually complementary orders. Each one of the major four traditional sampardas began with our Gurus blessings. There are five, traditional sampardas however, starting with the Nirmalas (spiritual scholars), Udasis (scholar mystics), Nihangs (warriors) and Sevapanthis (spiritual mystics serving humanity) and the lesser known Suthra Shahis started by Suthra Shah who was named and raised by Guru Hargobind Sahib. Sampradaya can be interpreted as ‘tradition’ or a ‘religious order’. It signifies a spiritual or a monastic progression serving as a spiritual conduit via an organisation that lends perpetuity of religious identity. It is somewhat in contrast to other Indian Guru Lineages called paramparas, where by receiving an initiation into a parampara of a living guru, one belongs to a sampradaya. The sampradaya is — a succession of spiritual mentors who carry forward and further convey a religious order of holy men. Holy men belonging to particular sampradas follow their traditional way, holding on to their order's unique philosophies, as conveyed by their mentors to their successors, hence perpetuating their identity. Each successor, however, exercising discretion, does keep the organisation further evolving, while staying with the panthic norms and their tradtional ways. Sevapanthi samprada comprises of holy men who are devoted to selfless service. The name Sevapanthi can be divided into two parts 'Seva' and 'Panthi'. Seva being selfless service and Panthi meaning someone who walks the path. Hence connoting someone who walks the path of selfless service." - http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Sewa_Panthi_Sampradaye 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 Nirmala and Udasi/Udasis has been added. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Balkaar Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 10 hours ago, monatosingh said: Each one of the major four traditional sampardas began with our Gurus blessings. There are five, traditional sampardas however, starting with the Nirmalas (spiritual scholars), Udasis (scholar mystics), Nihangs (warriors) and Sevapanthis (spiritual mystics serving humanity) and the lesser known Suthra Shahis started by Suthra Shah who was named and raised by Guru Hargobind Sahib. Waheguru, good information, believe Damdami Taksaal can be added to this list as it came into being with the direct blessing of Guru Gobind Singh. Mukhis were traditionally associated with nirmalas but the first jathedar was Akali Nihang Baba Deep Singh, so it seems to have been a separate order altogether. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulSingh Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 11 hours ago, monatosingh said: Credits to @Jacfsing2 for pointing these Puratan Samprada's out for me. Khalsa "Khalsa (Punjabi: "the pure") refers to both a special group of initiated Sikh warriors, as well as the community that considers Sikhism as its faith. The Khalsa tradition was initiated in 1699 by the last living Guru of Sikhism, Guru Gobind Singh. Its formation was a key event in the history of Sikhism. The founding of Khalsa is celebrated by Sikhs during the festival of Vaisakhi, the Sikh new year. Guru Gobind Singh started the Khalsa tradition after his father had been beheaded for resisting the religious persecution of non-Muslims during the rule the Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb. The Khalsa redefined the Sikh tradition from the start. It formulated an initiation ceremony (amrit pahul, nectar ceremony) and rules of conduct for the Khalsa warriors. It created a new institution for the temporal leadership of the Sikhs, replacing the masands system maintained by the earlier Gurus of Sikhism. Additionally, the Khalsa provided a political and religious vision for the Sikh community. Upon initiation, a Khalsa Sikh was given the titles of Singh (male) and Kaur (female). The rules of life, included behavioral code (Rahit, such as no tobacco, no alcohol, no halal meat), and a dress code (Five Ks).The initiated Khalsa is also a warrior with a duty to protect the innocent from any form of religious persecution. The Sikhs who revere the teachings of Sikh gurus, but have not undergone the initiation have been called Sahajdhari. A Sahajdhari Sikhs do not accept some or all elements of the dress and behavioral codes of the Khalsa Sikhs. The Khalsa has been predominantly a male institution in Sikh history, with Khalsa authority in male leaders. In contemporary era, it has become more open to women." 5ks: Kesh Kanga Kirpan Kachera Kara Bujjar Kuherits: Not to disturb the natural growth of the hairs. Not to eat meat of any animal slaughtered. (Some may argue Jhakta is allowed which is instantaneous strike to the head) Cohabiting with a person other than one's spouse. Using tobacco or alcohol. - Anyone who breaks these 4 sins has broken the Amrit and the boost of naam their panj gave them, and will need to retake amrit to become a Khalsa again. http://new.sgpc.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Raj-Karega-Khalsa.pdf http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://old.sgpc.net/CDN/Sikh_Rehat_Maryada_English.pdf&gws_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=puO8WZ63GsKbgAb3h7XwBQ Udasi (Sect of Baba Sri Chand) * Udasis wear clothes of ochre colour – Sikhs do not. * Udasis may or may not have long hair – Sikhs are enjoined to. Cutting the hair is an act of apostasy. * Udasis are not enjoined to keep the five kakkaars – Sikhs are. * Udasis need not be initiated in the ceremony of Pahul – Sikhs must. * Caps are the peculiar badges of Udasis – Sikhs are prohibited from wearing them. * Udasis observe Hindu rites and ceremonies – Sikhs do not. * The chief object of worship of Udasis is the ball of ashes – this is condemned by the Sikhs. Udasis adore samadhs – Sikhs do not. * Udasis may smoke – Sikhs may not. Smoking is an act of apostasy. * Udasis employ Brahmins – Sikhs are not allowed to. * Udasis perform shraadh (ancestral rites of offering food to the dead) – Sikhs do not. * Udasis observe the caste system – Sikhs do not. http://www.sikhanswers.com/sikh-history-personalities/what-do-you-know-of-udaasis/ Udasi is a religious sect of ascetic sadhus based on the teachings of Sri Chand (1494–1643), the son of Guru Nanak, the founder and the first Guru of Sikhism. The Udasis do not reject the Sikh Gurus, but attach greater importance to the line of succession from Guru Nanak through Sri Chand to the Udasi mahants. They interpret the message of Guru Granth Sahib in Vedantic terms. They do not abide by the Khalsa's Rehat Maryada. "The Udasis were key interpreters of the Sikh philosophy and the custodians of important Sikh shrines until the Akali movement. They brought a large number of people in the Sikh fold during the 18th and the early 19th centuries. However, their religious practicies border on a syncretism of Sikhism and Hinduism. When the Singh Sabha, dominated by Khalsa Sikhs, redefined the Sikh identity in the early 20th century, the Udasi mahants were expelled from the Sikh shrines. Since then, the Udasis have increasingly regarded themselves as Hindus rather than Sikhs." Nirmala Credits to @Mahakaal96 When Dasam patshah sent 5 Singhs to Benares to learn sanskriti etc they were denied access to the ashrams in Benares because of the maryada of those ashrams not allowing weapons etc. The Singhs returned to mahraj & told them what had happened & mahraj then gave them hukam to remove their shaster & gave them peach coloured bana to wear & sent them back to Benares to learn all the vidya then come back & teach all the other Singhs.... this was the birth of the Nirmala Samparda. Some Nimalas even today wear peach coloured robes & do not carry weapons... they are strictly scholars/sants. http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Nirmala https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirmala_(sect) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utq09DW6yWo Sevapanthi http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Sewapanthi "Guru Gobind Singh Sahib, when he envisioned a Sikh nation, he envisioned the entire world as his realm, and not just a particular geographical area. Similarly, the All-Knowing Guru, in keeping with the traditional ways of the preceeding Gurus, knowing the core philosophies of Guru Nanak Dev Ji, envisioned an all-inclusive Sikh nation, rejecting the exclusive norms of other faiths. Understanding the ways of the Creator, he allowed some diversity and some distinguished ways within it, and personally and specifically blessed Nirmalas and Seva-Panthis. Earlier, Guru Ram Das Sahib honored and acknowledged Baba Sri Chand, founder of the Udaasi Samprada, as per Guru Nanak Dev Ji's blessing to Mata Sulakhni, for her sons. Again, Guru Hargobind Sahib, offered his eldest son Baba Gurditta and the father of Guru Har RaiSahib, as successor to Baba Sri Chand. These distinguished ways or paths are termed ‘sampardaya’ or 'samprada'. This term has, in the past, been wrongly mis-interpreted or conveyed to the public as ‘sects’ or a ‘cults’, terms that incorrectly imply deviation, arising from dissent with practised beliefs. The term samparda does not mean ‘sect’, but rather order, as in an order of monks. In this sense a sampardaya represents one among several mutually complementary orders. Each one of the major four traditional sampardas began with our Gurus blessings. There are five, traditional sampardas however, starting with the Nirmalas (spiritual scholars), Udasis (scholar mystics), Nihangs (warriors) and Sevapanthis (spiritual mystics serving humanity) and the lesser known Suthra Shahis started by Suthra Shah who was named and raised by Guru Hargobind Sahib. Sampradaya can be interpreted as ‘tradition’ or a ‘religious order’. It signifies a spiritual or a monastic progression serving as a spiritual conduit via an organisation that lends perpetuity of religious identity. It is somewhat in contrast to other Indian Guru Lineages called paramparas, where by receiving an initiation into a parampara of a living guru, one belongs to a sampradaya. The sampradaya is — a succession of spiritual mentors who carry forward and further convey a religious order of holy men. Holy men belonging to particular sampradas follow their traditional way, holding on to their order's unique philosophies, as conveyed by their mentors to their successors, hence perpetuating their identity. Each successor, however, exercising discretion, does keep the organisation further evolving, while staying with the panthic norms and their tradtional ways. Sevapanthi samprada comprises of holy men who are devoted to selfless service. The name Sevapanthi can be divided into two parts 'Seva' and 'Panthi'. Seva being selfless service and Panthi meaning someone who walks the path. Hence connoting someone who walks the path of selfless service." - http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Sewa_Panthi_Sampradaye Wouldn't it make more sense to remove udhaasis from the list, I mean the son of a doctor isn't a doctor; so why should the son of the guru necessarily be a sikh? Besides Buddhist and Naamdharis are closer to us than Udhaasis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukhvirk1976 Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 9 minutes ago, SoulSingh said: Wouldn't it make more sense to remove udhaasis from the list, I mean the son of a doctor isn't a doctor; so why should the son of the guru necessarily be a sikh? Besides Buddhist and Naamdharis are closer to us than Udhaasis The son of a khalsa isn't necessarily a khalsa.. Sikhi is a personal journey one where the onus is on the individual. We all make choices each day in the way to live our lives... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulSingh Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, Sukhvirk1976 said: The son of a khalsa isn't necessarily a khalsa.. Sikhi is a personal journey one where the onus is on the individual. We all make choices each day in the way to live our lives... I understand Veer ji, so why keep udhasis in our sampardas 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jacfsing2 Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 2 hours ago, SoulSingh said: I understand Veer ji, so why keep udhasis in our sampardas In the Pre-Singh Sabha Movement, these 3 non-Khalsa branches would do Sikh prachar and many people with influence from them would take Amrit. In the past, our community had certain branches who would do different things. And usually didn't directly connect with each other. Damdami Taksal is the exception to this rule, as it had students who were Khalsa, Nirmalla, Udassi, and SewaPanthi, but the head was always a Khalsa. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulSingh Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 What kind of quality parchar would that be? Udhassis seem to have a completely opposite outlook, if anything it's bringing sikhs farther away from gurbani. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jacfsing2 Posted September 17, 2017 Report Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 hour ago, SoulSingh said: What kind of quality parchar would that be? Udhassis seem to have a completely opposite outlook, if anything it's bringing sikhs farther away from gurbani. Only after Singh Sabha was this a complaint. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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