Was Ravan responsible for conflict with Sri Raam !

[luckysingh99]

On 10/3/2017 at 7:22 AM, SoulSingh said:

Isn't all this mythology? Why does this have relevance with us?

Mythology or myths are allegorical narratives. They are used and told to help us understand our ignorance and negative traits, as well as how to overcome them. They are always aligned so as to show us the way to the Truth. 

Raam, raavan, sita etc..  all represent our very own battles in life and within ourselves. Whether these characters existed in real or not should be of no relevance and gurbani doesn't say either way because of this. Knowing whether they physically existed or not isn't going to teach or make any of us better if we don't comprehend the concepts.  Nevertheless, where references are made in gurbani to such myths; they are to help us understand the meanings of these myths and how we could apply them to help us get towards the truth. The truth that is ek ongkar waheguru. 

There was a video from a Singh in the UK (i can't recall who) that tried to explain it better than me and attempted to untangle how the celebration of light or diwali, can occur within us. 

[singhbj singh]

Ram katha jug jug atal. Guru Gobind Singh ji, while concluding his version of Ramavtar, said the story of Rama exists from time immemorial and will remain so.

A senior journalist friend once remarked that it is very easy to instigate and embarrass the Sikhs. Just ask a Sikh a very simple question: What is the importance of Rama in Sikhism? If he says it is of no significance then quote that Gurbani has vividly referred to Rama as an icon of goodness. Now if he says, yes it is significant, then simply pin up the label of RSS on him. Either way it will start a spate of intrinisic skirmishes. The same is happening now.

The Khalsa or the Panth of the Guru, which had shattered the Khyber Pass and penetrated deep into the territories reversing the onslaught from West, has the strength to preserve and maintain its entity and identity. It should shed off its unnecessary phobia and stop shaking like a dry leaf at the slightest wind blowing.

Thanks to the uninvited intrusion of RSS into Sikhism with their remarks in their organ ‘The Organiser’ that the sacred texts of the Sikhs are “known for their salutations to Sri Rama”, which has helped to complicate the matter further by. Perhaps they believe that if you want to convince a man, first you have to confuse him.

Islam, Christianity and Judaism, despite maintaing their separate identities, have preserved the names and references of the earlier prophets. Guru Granth Sahib likewise has respectfully canonised the names of the mythological gods, goddesses etc. saying that all these are ever singing the praise of the Lord at His doorsteps. Gurmat is unequivocally clear that the only entity to be worshipped is the One who does not take birth and does not come in any form. Gurmat also does not object if Akal Purakh is remembered by the name of Rama, Krishna etc.. But it certainly will not equate Rama or Krishna with God.

The row, thus, whether Guru Granth Sahib has references to Rama or not, is nothing but unnecessary.

Source - http://punjab-spectrum.com/news/795/#sthash.4X4VFuKr.dpbs

[Pallav2015]

On 10/2/2017 at 2:54 PM, jkvlondon said:

Raam was the sole cause of his problems , he tricked Ravan at the syvambar and thus won Sita's hand by cheating not contest. His brother Laxman cut off the nose of Ravan's sister for daring to ask him to marry her. Ravan did not take revenge for that assault .

ਸੁੰਞਾ ਹੋਆ ਇੰਦ੍ਰ੍ਰ ਲੋਕੁ ਲੁਕਿਆ ਸਰਵਰ ਮਨਿ ਸਰਮਾਣਾ।

Sounaa Hoaa Indr Loku Loukiaa Saravari Mani Saramaanaa.

सुंा होआ इंद्र लोकु लुकिआ सरवरि मनि सरमाणा ।

The Indralok (abode of Indr) became desolate and getting ashamed of himself he hid in a pond.

ਸਹਸ ਭਗਹੁ ਲੋਇਣ ਸਹਸ ਲੈਂਦੋਈ ਇੰਦ ਪੁਰੀ ਸਿਧਾਣਾ।

Sahas Bhagahu Loin Sahas Laindoee Indr Puree Sidhaanaa.

सहस भगहु लोइण सहस लैंदोई इंद्र पुरी सिधाणा ।

On revocation of the curse when all those holes became eyes, only then he returned to his habitat.

ਸਤੀ ਸਤਹੁ ਟਲਿ ਸਿਲਾ ਹੋਇ ਨਦੀ ਕਿਨਾਰੈ ਬਾਝੁ ਪਰਾਣਾ।

Satee Satahu Tali Silaa Hoi Nadee Kinaarai Baajhu Paraanaa.

सती सतहु टलि सिला होइ नदी किनारै बाझु पराणा ।

Ahalya who could not remain steadfast in her chastity became stone and remained lying on the river bank

ਰਘੁਪਤਿ ਚਰਣ ਛੁਹੰਦਿਆਂ ਚਲੀ ਸੁਰਗ ਪੁਰਿ ਬਣੇ ਬਿਬਾਣਾ।

Raghoupati Charani Chhuhandiaa Chalee Surag Puri Banay Bibaanaa.

रघुपति चरणि छुहंदिआ चली सुरग पुरि बणे बिबाणा ।

Touching the (holy) feet of Ram she was lifted to the heavens.

ਭਗਤ ਵਛਲ ਭਲਿਆਈਅਹੁੰ ਪਤਿਤ ਉਧਾਰਣੁ ਪਾਪ ਕਮਾਣਾ।

Bhagati Vachhalu Bhaliaaeeahu Patit Udhaaranu Paap Kamaanaa.

भगति वछलु भलिआईअहु पतित उधारणु पाप कमाणा ।

Because of His benevolence He is mother-like to the devotees and being forgiver of the sinners He is called redeemer of the fallen ones.

 

 

[puzzled]

It was Ravans sister who was a ogre that was responsible for it. She saw Raam and got really kaami and asked him to marry her, Raam was already married so refused the proposal, plus she was a ogre and probably looked like Shrek. She then got angry and started attacking Sita so Lakshman cut her nose off lol!  She then ran back to her brother squealing and Ravan decided to punish Raam by kidnapping Sita. The only reason Ravan didn't forcefully have a physical relationship with Sita was because in the past Ravan had raped many women, one of the ladies he raped went running to Bramha and Brahma said to Ravan that if he has s3x with a woman without her consent then he will immediately die. Ravan then tried tricking Sita by taking on Raams form etc but nothing worked.

But regardless, Ravan was a tyrant, he was taxing Brahmins, harassing meditating rishis/yogis and treating his subjects really badly and whenever a tyrant like that gained too much power a Avtar came down to earth to slay the tyrant. The whole Sita incident was just a excuse ...    

Makes you wonder why the tyrants of today are not being slayed and roaming freely, perhaps because its Kalyug ? ...  

 

[Arsh1469]

You could read Ram Avtar and find your answer

[Pallav2015]

6 hours ago, puzzled said:

It was Ravans sister who was a ogre that was responsible for it. She saw Raam and got really kaami and asked him to marry her, Raam was already married so refused the proposal, plus she was a ogre and probably looked like Shrek. She then got angry and started attacking Sita so Lakshman cut her nose off lol!  She then ran back to her brother squealing and Ravan decided to punish Raam by kidnapping Sita. The only reason Ravan didn't forcefully have a physical relationship with Sita was because in the past Ravan had raped many women, one of the ladies he raped went running to Bramha and Brahma said to Ravan that if he has s3x with a woman without her consent then he will immediately die. Ravan then tried tricking Sita by taking on Raams form etc but nothing worked.

But regardless, Ravan was a tyrant, he was taxing Brahmins, harassing meditating rishis/yogis and treating his subjects really badly and whenever a tyrant like that gained too much power a Avtar came down to earth to slay the tyrant. The whole Sita incident was just a excuse ...    

Makes you wonder why the tyrants of today are not being slayed and roaming freely, perhaps because its Kalyug ? ...  

 

Where u getting all this info ? What source you have most of the Kathavachak I listen to say he was good guy just got stuck with ego at the end but never touched any lady he even respected Sita was waiting from Sri ram chandra so could get revenge 

[Pallav2015]

1 hour ago, Arsh1469 said:

You could read Ram Avtar and find your answer

Above is vaar from Bhai gurdas ji praising ram chandra so I was bit confused 

[Jai Tegang!]

I sometimes feel we take the opposing view on raavan to just irritate north indian hindus. No doubt there is a tradition in the south of viewing history differently than the north in terms of Raam and Raavan, but the current trend amongst our community to sort of belittle Raam Chandar is misplaced.  Raavan is linked to the fatal flaw of ego. Whatever shortcomings might be there in Raam Chandars life, it is completely eclipsed by the fact that he was the Treta Avataar, sent to end a tyrants reign.

[puzzled]

13 hours ago, Pallav2015 said:

Where u getting all this info ? What source you have most of the Kathavachak I listen to say he was good guy just got stuck with ego at the end but never touched any lady he even respected Sita was waiting from Sri ram chandra so could get revenge 

Got it from Valmiki Ramayan. I have never heard a kathavachak call Ravan the good guy! Not quite sure how a individual that kidnapped another mans wife can be called the "good guy" 

Dasam bani says that of you go with another mans wife then you will die the death of a dog, and look how Ravan died ... 

Ravan was a tyrant king, the whole reason Raam came down to earth was to destroy Ravan. Just how the Man/Lion avtar came down to destroy Prahlads father and how Krishna came to destroy Kans and other tyrants.