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Raam was the sole cause of his problems , he tricked Ravan at the syvambar and thus won Sita's hand by cheating not contest. His brother Laxman cut off the nose of Ravan's sister for daring to ask him to marry her. Ravan did not take revenge for that assault .

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On 03/10/2017 at 0:03 PM, singhbj singh said:

Don't know about tricks & cheating at Swayamvar therefore will make no comments.

since there are more than 300 versions of the story the one by Valmiki is considered original and least coloured in judgemental attitude ...Ravan was an Asura some say that is why he wasn't suitable because of this but Raja Janak was a bhagti person invited both him and the Princes of Ayodya Ram and Laxman along with other kings and princes who were eligible . 

the condition of the svyambar was to lift and string the bow of Shiva , Raja Janak's most prized posession , partly this was also to match the correct person to his adopted daughter Sita who had lifted the Shiva danush as a child. Ravan would have been a shoe-in as he was the most devoted bhakht of Shiva ji  having done bheta of his head ten times (which some say were awarded back to him by Shiva ji, thus depicted as having ten heads). He would have easily been able to pick up the bow as he had thaparda of Shiva . Ram being Vishnu incarnate could do the same , and actually lifted the bow on pretext of examining the stringing and strummed the string breaking the bow, so no further attempts could be made. Raja Janak was satisfied .

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6 hours ago, SoulSingh said:

Isn't all this mythology? Why does this have relevance with us?

Ram was a real person , we need to see how khalsa is expected to act and is respected higher than these demi-gods. Guru pita ji has given us examples of how not to be so we don't make the same mistakes

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9 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

ram  told ravan that his kingdom was on fire so Ravan rushed away to take care of his people and nation, as Ravan was the best archer there and would have certainly won. 

Didn't know that.

Can you be kind enough to provide credible source for this info.

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On 10/3/2017 at 7:22 AM, SoulSingh said:

Isn't all this mythology? Why does this have relevance with us?

Mythology or myths are allegorical narratives. They are used and told to help us understand our ignorance and negative traits, as well as how to overcome them. They are always aligned so as to show us the way to the Truth. 

Raam, raavan, sita etc..  all represent our very own battles in life and within ourselves. Whether these characters existed in real or not should be of no relevance and gurbani doesn't say either way because of this. Knowing whether they physically existed or not isn't going to teach or make any of us better if we don't comprehend the concepts.  Nevertheless, where references are made in gurbani to such myths; they are to help us understand the meanings of these myths and how we could apply them to help us get towards the truth. The truth that is ek ongkar waheguru. 

There was a video from a Singh in the UK (i can't recall who) that tried to explain it better than me and attempted to untangle how the celebration of light or diwali, can occur within us. 

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Ram katha jug jug atal. Guru Gobind Singh ji, while concluding his version of Ramavtar, said the story of Rama exists from time immemorial and will remain so.

A senior journalist friend once remarked that it is very easy to instigate and embarrass the Sikhs. Just ask a Sikh a very simple question: What is the importance of Rama in Sikhism? If he says it is of no significance then quote that Gurbani has vividly referred to Rama as an icon of goodness. Now if he says, yes it is significant, then simply pin up the label of RSS on him. Either way it will start a spate of intrinisic skirmishes. The same is happening now.

The Khalsa or the Panth of the Guru, which had shattered the Khyber Pass and penetrated deep into the territories reversing the onslaught from West, has the strength to preserve and maintain its entity and identity. It should shed off its unnecessary phobia and stop shaking like a dry leaf at the slightest wind blowing.

Thanks to the uninvited intrusion of RSS into Sikhism with their remarks in their organ ‘The Organiser’ that the sacred texts of the Sikhs are “known for their salutations to Sri Rama”, which has helped to complicate the matter further by. Perhaps they believe that if you want to convince a man, first you have to confuse him.

Islam, Christianity and Judaism, despite maintaing their separate identities, have preserved the names and references of the earlier prophets. Guru Granth Sahib likewise has respectfully canonised the names of the mythological gods, goddesses etc. saying that all these are ever singing the praise of the Lord at His doorsteps. Gurmat is unequivocally clear that the only entity to be worshipped is the One who does not take birth and does not come in any form. Gurmat also does not object if Akal Purakh is remembered by the name of Rama, Krishna etc.. But it certainly will not equate Rama or Krishna with God.

The row, thus, whether Guru Granth Sahib has references to Rama or not, is nothing but unnecessary.

Source - http://punjab-spectrum.com/news/795/#sthash.4X4VFuKr.dpbs

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On 10/2/2017 at 2:54 PM, jkvlondon said:

Raam was the sole cause of his problems , he tricked Ravan at the syvambar and thus won Sita's hand by cheating not contest. His brother Laxman cut off the nose of Ravan's sister for daring to ask him to marry her. Ravan did not take revenge for that assault .

ਸੁੰਞਾ ਹੋਆ ਇੰਦ੍ਰ੍ਰ ਲੋਕੁ ਲੁਕਿਆ ਸਰਵਰ ਮਨਿ ਸਰਮਾਣਾ।

Sounaa Hoaa Indr Loku Loukiaa Saravari Mani Saramaanaa.

सुंा होआ इंद्र लोकु लुकिआ सरवरि मनि सरमाणा ।

The Indralok (abode of Indr) became desolate and getting ashamed of himself he hid in a pond.

ਸਹਸ ਭਗਹੁ ਲੋਇਣ ਸਹਸ ਲੈਂਦੋਈ ਇੰਦ ਪੁਰੀ ਸਿਧਾਣਾ।

Sahas Bhagahu Loin Sahas Laindoee Indr Puree Sidhaanaa.

सहस भगहु लोइण सहस लैंदोई इंद्र पुरी सिधाणा ।

On revocation of the curse when all those holes became eyes, only then he returned to his habitat.

ਸਤੀ ਸਤਹੁ ਟਲਿ ਸਿਲਾ ਹੋਇ ਨਦੀ ਕਿਨਾਰੈ ਬਾਝੁ ਪਰਾਣਾ।

Satee Satahu Tali Silaa Hoi Nadee Kinaarai Baajhu Paraanaa.

सती सतहु टलि सिला होइ नदी किनारै बाझु पराणा ।

Ahalya who could not remain steadfast in her chastity became stone and remained lying on the river bank

ਰਘੁਪਤਿ ਚਰਣ ਛੁਹੰਦਿਆਂ ਚਲੀ ਸੁਰਗ ਪੁਰਿ ਬਣੇ ਬਿਬਾਣਾ।

Raghoupati Charani Chhuhandiaa Chalee Surag Puri Banay Bibaanaa.

रघुपति चरणि छुहंदिआ चली सुरग पुरि बणे बिबाणा ।

Touching the (holy) feet of Ram she was lifted to the heavens.

ਭਗਤ ਵਛਲ ਭਲਿਆਈਅਹੁੰ ਪਤਿਤ ਉਧਾਰਣੁ ਪਾਪ ਕਮਾਣਾ।

Bhagati Vachhalu Bhaliaaeeahu Patit Udhaaranu Paap Kamaanaa.

भगति वछलु भलिआईअहु पतित उधारणु पाप कमाणा ।

Because of His benevolence He is mother-like to the devotees and being forgiver of the sinners He is called redeemer of the fallen ones.

 

 

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It was Ravans sister who was a ogre that was responsible for it. She saw Raam and got really kaami and asked him to marry her, Raam was already married so refused the proposal, plus she was a ogre and probably looked like Shrek. She then got angry and started attacking Sita so Lakshman cut her nose off lol!  She then ran back to her brother squealing and Ravan decided to punish Raam by kidnapping Sita. The only reason Ravan didn't forcefully have a physical relationship with Sita was because in the past Ravan had raped many women, one of the ladies he raped went running to Bramha and Brahma said to Ravan that if he has s3x with a woman without her consent then he will immediately die. Ravan then tried tricking Sita by taking on Raams form etc but nothing worked.

But regardless, Ravan was a tyrant, he was taxing Brahmins, harassing meditating rishis/yogis and treating his subjects really badly and whenever a tyrant like that gained too much power a Avtar came down to earth to slay the tyrant. The whole Sita incident was just a excuse ...    

Makes you wonder why the tyrants of today are not being slayed and roaming freely, perhaps because its Kalyug ? ...  

 

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