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I am really confused because Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj said that in Sikhi there is no caste system so why do people still mention: Jatt etc especially in films I mean you get films called: Jatt & Juliet and this makes me wonder why people still hold on to this mindframe. We are all equal in Sikhi so why the castes? I don't believe in this sort of unfair mindset. I did not mean to offend anyone that was not my intention.

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15 hours ago, Guest Kaur 2 said:

Jatt etc especially in films I mean you get films called: Jatt & Juliet and this makes me wonder why people still hold on to this mindframe.

To make money, that’s why. They know there’s people out there that will carry on falling for the stereotypical caste based songs and movies, so they try to make a profit from it. The people that go to see the movies are brainwashed by it all aswell. 

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13 hours ago, Guest Kaur 2 said:

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So is it bad if we listen/watch films/songs that are all about caste? May seem like a silly question but I am talking about it in sikhi aspects.

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On tv, there isn’t really much you can do about watching/listening to them if they pop up, but you can switch the channel.  If you ask yourself, what’s the point in listening or watching them, you’ll get your answer. Will you benefit anything from them? 

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On 07/10/2017 at 8:56 PM, Guest Kaur 2 said:

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I am really confused because Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj said that in Sikhi there is no caste system so why do people still mention: Jatt etc especially in films I mean you get films called: Jatt & Juliet and this makes me wonder why people still hold on to this mindframe. We are all equal in Sikhi so why the castes? I don't believe in this sort of unfair mindset. I did not mean to offend anyone that was not my intention.

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The name of this thread says it all. 

 

Answer: Because Sikhs of Today have made up their own weird religion, because they think the Guru isn't actually here and because of ego.

Sikhism today is ridiculous and so far from the Sikh Bhagti path the Guru's taught. 

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9 hours ago, Guest Sat said:

Because Sikhs of Today have made up their own weird religion,

A lot of people are stuck in this culture aspect of it. They keep carrying on the cultural practices, which make no sense at all and no consequence. They are programmed like a computer to follow that and if they don’t, then it’s like some crime has been committed 😏.  The ones that are so absorbed into caste think they are the good and righteous ones, and viewing others as inferior to themselves, because they are so used to thinking that’s what keeps them together and strong. But little do they know about the qualities of a person. 

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Guru Amardas Ji A true Sikh have faith in gurbani and fake sikh used guru sahib to only show off for their fake identity and society, which is also a group of fake peoples

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People actually follow media more than religion. 

Songs spread faster and are listened to more often than other religious  shabads or katha. 

Their lyrics and tunes are more catching.  So you become what you listen to and sing too. This is what is happening to people. 

During Gurujis time, the power of Guruji waa there to guide people and unite them. 

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7 hours ago, sikhni777 said:

People actually follow media more than religion. 

Songs spread faster and are listened to more often than other religious  shabads or katha. 

Their lyrics and tunes are more catching.  So you become what you listen to and sing too. This is what is happening to people. 

During Gurujis time, the power of Guruji waa there to guide people and unite them. 

True. The power of Guruji is still there, but some people don’t want to make the effort and the type of sangat does make a difference.  

I wouldn’t say the tunes of songs  are more catching, but rather that they are the same chaklo rakhlo type.  There’s no uniqueness in the songs nowadays, but are more repetitive in lyrics, musical flow etc  . There are many shabads which sound way better than the songs, but I guess it’s all about one’s spiritual journey when they will be graced to sway away from that environment to experience Gurbani  . Been there, done it, still learning, so I can’t judge others on what they listen to, but I can control what I listen to and that’s what one needs to do, work on one’s self and that will create change. 

 

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On 07/10/2017 at 6:56 PM, Guest Kaur 2 said:

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I am really confused because Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj said that in Sikhi there is no caste system so why do people still mention: Jatt etc especially in films I mean you get films called: Jatt & Juliet and this makes me wonder why people still hold on to this mindframe. We are all equal in Sikhi so why the castes? I don't believe in this sort of unfair mindset. I did not mean to offend anyone that was not my intention.

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Like it or not, and it may be an inconvenient truth, but it is the jatts who are the cause of keeping casteism alive.

It is from a misplaced sense of feeling "superior".

And it is predominantly jatts who are distorting sikhi e.g. Heavy drinking, eating steaks, but claiming to be "proper" Sikhs.

 

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It all comes down to one (or two) things.

Ego and pride.

Ego because you want the world to know which caste you are. You want the world to know that you are one of the highest castes in India.

Pride because you feel proud due to it.

 

ਜਾਤਿ ਕਾ ਗਰਬੁ ਨ ਕਰਿ ਮੂਰਖ ਗਵਾਰਾ ॥

Do not be proud of your social class and status, you ignorant fool!

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Even Guru jis mentioned caste in gurbani.

There's nothing wrong in just "mentioning" caste,

It is a problem when people become arrogant, hunkaari etc.

Actually some people have hunkaar in pride of caste, but there's also there who have hunkaar in not following caste as well unfortunately.

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