Leather, Tabla of Goats Skin

[singh598]

Bhai Gurdas (1) has written about this in his writings he said

First the goat says me me.  Then he makes a sacrifice ie he kills himself then he is skinned and dried and then cut and put on the tabla drum and finally he is stretched and hit with a hammer.  Now the me me bleeting animal starts to say Tu Tu ( this is a tabla bol)

[EST1699]

Sikhs are vegetarian - yes. There is never meat product/item in langar Hall. That one thing is very clear regardless of some people who don’t want to change their taste buds for sikhi. 

Chaur sahib originally made from YAK hair or from horse hairs. Tabla is also made from animal skin. We’re they killed to make these product? I would say no. When they passed/die then the skin product comes out of it.

 

[EST1699]

34 minutes ago, singh598 said:

Bhai Gurdas (1) has written about this in his writings he said

First the goat says me me.  Then he makes a sacrifice ie he kills himself then he is skinned and dried and then cut and put on the tabla drum and finally he is stretched and hit with a hammer.  Now the me me bleeting animal starts to say Tu Tu ( this is a tabla bol)

Next time, please post proper tuk/stanza as this English translation belittle the actual meaning/concept of the Gurbani tukk.

[singh598]

I have the citation and will provide it as an.  My post is not inaccurate

[InderjitS]

You have different camps, some say Guru Sahib during their hunting excursions freed animals from the churasi. Others believe it was not only to hone skills and have the balls to deal with blood and death but as many historians write, consume game over open fires. Most carnivores will puke at the sight of gutting a carcass let alone veggies. Shooting from afar is one thing it cannot be compared to Jhatka at close quarter.

Regardless, meat issue is a waste of breath. Maryada perfectly tells us it is a 'non' issue, just don't touch halal.  

[weareallone]

Gurus rejected torture and slavery of all living brings. Thus includes killing or torturing domesticated animals for meat and dairy or performing gruesome rituals like halal. The idea is to live a natural life in balance with nature. If hunting wild animals is part of your food chain and you do so sustainably and with utmost respect then its fine. All parts of the animal must be used and nothing wasted. Only few people have this need. The gurus hunted but were otherwise vegan. The shabad guru is very clear that its all about living naturally and ethically and with utmost respect for all life. The key is to use bibek, or in other words internalise the gurus teachings in the mind.

If it's not right or possible to hunt then the body of naturally deceased wild animals may be used, again with great respect and reverence and appreciation.

Guru jis shoes, water bottle, miyan, shield, instrument strings, tools etc were made by his own hand from hunted or naturally deceased wild animals.

Today However only a small handful of indigenous people have the need for and sufficient respect for mother earth to qualify for hunting.

[MrDoaba]

12 hours ago, EST1699 said:

Sikhs are vegetarian - yes.

According to?

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There is never meat product/item in langar Hall.

This is no different to shops and restaurants omitting certain ingredients to fulfill certain dietary or religious requirements, not because meat itself is forbidden.

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That one thing is very clear regardless of some people who don’t want to change their taste buds for sikhi. 

Tell that to all the Sikh owned veggie eateries which have menus just as long and extravagant as a place that serves meat, whose menus I might add, have an abundance of items designed to replicate the taste and texture of meat. Lets not also ignore the extortionate prices people are willing to pay for these pretend meat products - I guess they really have changed their tastebuds for Sikhi.

What's next, changing our sense of smell for Sikhi?

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Tabla is also made from animal skin. We’re they killed to make these product? I would say no. When they passed/die then the skin product comes out of it.

I'm no expert but I doubt the skin/hides of animals which died of natural causes were used. Skin from aged animals wouldn't be viable for use as it loses its properties over time.

[Guest]

12 hours ago, EST1699 said:

Sikhs are vegetarian - yes. There is never meat product/item in langar Hall. That one thing is very clear regardless of some people who don’t want to change their taste buds for sikhi. 

Chaur sahib originally made from YAK hair or from horse hairs. Tabla is also made from animal skin. We’re they killed to make these product? I would say no. When they passed/die then the skin product comes out of it.

 

 

12 hours ago, EST1699 said:

Next time, please post proper tuk/stanza as this English translation belittle the actual meaning/concept of the Gurbani tukk.

ਹੋਇ ਨਿਮਾਣੀ ਬਕਰੀ ਦੀਨ ਦੁਨੀ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਪਾਈ।
Goat is humble and hence it is respected everywhere.

ਮਰਣੈ ਪਰਣੈ ਮੰਨੀਐ ਜਗਿ ਭੋਗਿ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ਕਰਾਈ।
On occasions of death, joy, marriage, yajna, etc only its meat dis accepted.

ਮਾਸੁ ਪਵਿਤ੍ਰ ਗ੍ਰਿਹਸਤ ਨੋ ਆਂਦਹੁ ਤਾਰ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ਵਜਾਈ।
Among the householders its meat is acknowledged as sacred and with its gut stringed instruments are made.

ਚਮੜੇ ਦੀਆ ਕਰਿ ਜੁਤੀਆ ਸਾਧੂ ਚਰਣ ਸਰਣਿ ਲਿਵਲਾਈ।
From its leather the shoes are made to be used by the saints merged in their meditation upon the Lord.

ਤੂਰ ਪਖਾਵਜ ਮੜੀਦੇ ਕੀਰਤਨੁ ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਸੁਖਦਾਈ।
Drums are mounted by its skin and then in the holy congregation the delight-giving kirtan, eulogy of the Lord, is sung.

[Sewadar]

Please no meat discussion.  

[singh598]

Vaar 23 pauri 13 Bhai Gurdas.