Is Sikhism really hijacked by Jattism ?

[singhbj singh]

Let us look at Sikh history in regards to Mahapurakhs from Jat background.

Bhagat Dhanna ji were recognised as Devotee.

Baba Budda ji were GurSevak.

Bhai Dharam Singh ji were one of Punj Piyaras.

If you look at their occupation 

Bhagat Dhanna ji - Farmer

Baba Budda ji - Sevadaar/Granthi ji

Bhai Dharam Singh ji - Saint/Soldier

They followed different paths  & contributed to Sikhi in their own distinct way.

Now if we consider any one of them as our Role Model then it's best to follow that particular track ie Bhagati marg or Seva marg or Sant-Sipahi marg.

Problem is we are all hybrid ie mix of more than one characteristic nobody is a Pure ( Bhagat, Sevadar, Sant-Sipahi ).

[13Mirch]

2 hours ago, singhbj singh said:

Let us look at Sikh history in regards to Mahapurakhs from Jat background.

Bhagat Dhanna ji were recognised as Devotee.

Baba Budda ji were GurSevak.

Bhai Dharam Singh ji were one of Punj Piyaras.

If you look at their occupation 

Bhagat Dhanna ji - Farmer

Baba Budda ji - Sevadaar/Granthi ji

Bhai Dharam Singh ji - Saint/Soldier

They followed different paths  & contributed to Sikhi in their own distinct way.

Now if we consider any one of them as our Role Model then it's best to follow that particular track ie Bhagati marg or Seva marg or Sant-Sipahi marg.

Problem is we are all hybrid ie mix of more than one characteristic nobody is a Pure ( Bhagat, Sevadar, Sant-Sipahi ).

Being an amalgamation is a problem now is it? Guru Gobind Singh Ji openly proclaims in the Sarloh Granth:

'The Supreme Being has bequeathed the Khalsa with the virtues of saints, scholars, monarchs, warriors, philanthropists, monotheists, hermits, ascetics, combatants, and of those who bestride the world.'

-Sri Sarbloh Granth Sahib Ji, v.513.

But yes, your opinion must be more valid. 

The main point, as I see it, was to question as to why Jatts in particular harp on about caste and set off a chain reaction among other castes which they perceive as being low vis-a-vis the Panth. You, however, run to the veneer of history to digress from the topic and imply: "oh well you cannot criticize some Jatt's penchant for Hindu thought or otherwise you are criticizing Gurmukhs etc." 

[13Mirch]

9 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

I understood the hindus came back to him with an offer of low and backward caste quotas for jobs and education if he did not convert his followers to sikhi...

The low quota came at a time when the Hindu hegemony was threatened by conversion; secondly it offered Ambedkar something which the minorities weren't able to offer him- a position on the constitutional assembly of India. 

[Ranjeet01]

4 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

I understand what you're saying. But we have to go against our primal urges and rise our base behaviour. Thats what our gurus taught us too. The occupation based gurudwara news is a totally hilarious thing . It just adds more weight to the argument that Sikhs / punjabis tend to see gurudwaras as more of a social get-together and community center thing than center of preaching and spirituality . 

That is a big part of the problem.  

Our biological hardwiring is human and we are going to human.

It takes a lot to overcome these primal urges and parts of human nature. 

I think when we deal with non-Sikhs we as Sikhs tend to overcome some of our base human instincts but we get stung very badly because we think because we overcome they have to which is not always the case. 

Gurdwarae in the West are like social centres because they are few of the places sangat can congregate with one another. The Langar hall is where a great deal of socialisation takes place. Gurdwarae in the west for all their faults do this social stuff very well. You see community halls built, football/hockey and sports team set up, Punjabi classes etc.

What is happening with Gurdwarae these days is that they are becoming vanity projects. 

I guess this is what happens when people become affluent. 

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

I guess this is what happens when people become affluent. 

And when there's not so much direct external threat . As it was back in the days of islamic invaders 

[Ranjeet01]

50 minutes ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

And when there's not so much direct external threat . As it was back in the days of islamic invaders 

Complacency sets in very quickly with our people.

[JUSTAJATT]

23 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

your way of writing suggests your intelligence level ! 

Write in a way in which other people treat you seriously 

Yes, i'm sure you are a gentleman of the highest order

[joker]

if jatts are so evil, why are non-jatts  embracing cults with jatts as their gurus, eg Radha Soami and Sacha Sauda

[singhbj singh]

6 hours ago, 13Mirch said:

Being an amalgamation is a problem now is it? Guru Gobind Singh Ji openly proclaims in the Sarloh Granth:

'The Supreme Being has bequeathed the Khalsa with the virtues of saints, scholars, monarchs, warriors, philanthropists, monotheists, hermits, ascetics, combatants, and of those who bestride the world.'

-Sri Sarbloh Granth Sahib Ji, v.513.

But yes, your opinion must be more valid. 

The main point, as I see it, was to question as to why Jatts in particular harp on about caste and set off a chain reaction among other castes which they perceive as being low vis-a-vis the Panth. You, however, run to the veneer of history to digress from the topic and imply: "oh well you cannot criticize some Jatt's penchant for Hindu thought or otherwise you are criticizing Gurmukhs etc." 

Honestly have never read Dasam Granth only some individual Bani's.

Have no knowledge about Sarabloh Granth so can't comment.

It took me three-four readings to understand what you are saying could you please post in simple English?

Sorry for not connecting my last post to the topic. I wanted to highlight works of Mahapurakhs from Jat background to provoke thought process amongst readers.

Giving them a choice to follow any path.

 

[TejS]

14 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Complacency sets in very quickly with our people.

Agreed 100%. It is the reason our community hasn't reached it maximum potential.