Did Khalistanis kill Chamkila! ?

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4 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Break a limb or two. Put the squeeze on family members. Make his sponsors cancel shows. Intimidate audience into not showing up for his shows. There's countless ways to get at arty types where they'll immediately respond. 

i guess so, but then again it was a different era and things were done differently. 

In those days during weddings the bharat used to only have around 10 people in it. I was watching my mama's wedding who got married in 1992 and there were only around 10 people in the whole bharat! apparently kharkus used to threaten the boys side of the family to take less people in the bharat so that they dont become a burden on the girls family, also the police used to rob bharats as well. punjab was like a battle field between the kharkus and police. 

the whole atmosphere in my mamas wedding movie is eerie and full of fear, its interesting, whenever anyone starts to dance or the dhol gets loud someone runs forwards tells everyone to quiet it down. people are constantly telling each other to keep it quite in the movie. Its interesting watching it because its a reflection of the atmosphere in punjab at the time.       

chamkila got dealt with how most people were dealt with at the time i guess. 

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i do like this though lol.    but you can see why female singers were not very respected   they weren't really looked at with izzat , she is basically the only women there surrounded by hordes of drunk men.  this is a dharmik song   imagine her singing the usual chamkila lyrics in front of the drunk hordes of villagers!      the whole atmosphere at these akharas was very brothel-ish.   

people never used to let their daughters go and watch these shows, it was considered shameful. 

Nice song though lol   

 

[MisterrSingh]

In these types of rural societies the cutthroat nature of the inhabitants (even in times of peace) of these places means a balance needs to be struck between establishing an alternate underground rule of law that doesn't spill into oppressing the common man to the extent that he runs for reprieve from the very authorities the insurgents are rallying against. How exactly is loyalty and a closed-rank mentality meant to be cultivated among the common folk when they're under a worse situation by their so-called emancipators than they are with the apparent villains of the official regime? It's basic psychology and, dare I say, man management.

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On 3/15/2020 at 10:59 PM, dallysingh101 said:

But I will say that a certain prudish mindset might have been at work?

Punjabi society is not and never has been prudish. apart from a few urban sikh circles the vast majority are not and never were prudish. Sex is everywhere in the pinds people do it outdoors in the fields, in the barns in front of the cows, in abandoned buildings, wherever they get a chance. In the old days when the wives used to go to the fields to drop of lunch for their husbands they used to have s3x behind the crops   its no secret!   iv been told how people did it anally in the old days when no contraception was available. average couple had 7 or 8 kids in the old days  you cant be prudish to have that many kids. 

today, in the pinds sex is openly spoken about, its common to walk through the pind and hear punjabi words for private parts shouted out loud. Men openly talk about having s3x with their wives and laughing and making jokes about it, iv had plenty of unpleasant experiences of having to listen to these conversations.  if 2 dogs are shagging men will stand there laughing cracking jokes about private parts.  iv had people openly share sexual jokes with me, they use local slang words so initially i dont understand but because they all would be laughing i know what they are talking about.   i once was walking though my nanke pind with a elderly man who works for us, we were going to the hatti to buy something and couple of young lads started saying to the elderly man that he should have a drink and that the number 9 will start working. i didnt know what number 9 meant i was only 14 yrs old! i then realized that if you flip number 9 to its side then it resembles and mans genitals!    these are regular conversations that you hear on a daily basis!  iv had a cousin tell me how if you tie a male goat up behind a wooden pen, that the male goat will break through the wooden pen to mate with the female goat!  lol       these are the "normal" regular conversations there. there is very little excess to porn yet they pretty much know about all the methods and positions and what not.  it actually becomes unbearable the amount of sexual conversations you hear, iv never been in such a sexually driven society.  and its always been like that.

a lot of pinds also has its illegitimate children, my mums cousin has a illegitimate son with a married chamar woman in the same pind. people there just dont know when to stop.  

the women are just as bad, iv never had a woman there say this stuff to me but my cousin sister from the UK has told me the many unpleasant conversations shes had to sit through with the women in Punjab. 

there is absolutely nothing prudish or ever been anything prudish about rural culture in punjab.     they are a  very sexually driven people with a  very high sex drive.     charitropakhyan would be very very very popular in the pinds all for the wrong reasons, if some1 introduces charitropakhyan to them it would end up becoming their most favorite bani and recited on a daily basis.  they just dont know about it.

 

[dallysingh101]

1 hour ago, puzzled said:

Punjabi society is not and never has been prudish. apart from a few urban sikh circles the vast majority are not and never were prudish. Sex is everywhere in the pinds people do it outdoors in the fields, in the barns in front of the cows, in abandoned buildings, wherever they get a chance. In the old days when the wives used to go to the fields to drop of lunch for their husbands they used to have s3x behind the crops   its no secret!   iv been told how people did it anally in the old days when no contraception was available. average couple had 7 or 8 kids in the old days  you cant be prudish to have that many kids. 

today, in the pinds sex is openly spoken about, its common to walk through the pind and hear punjabi words for private parts shouted out loud. Men openly talk about having s3x with their wives and laughing and making jokes about it, iv had plenty of unpleasant experiences of having to listen to these conversations.  if 2 dogs are shagging men will stand there laughing cracking jokes about private parts.  iv had people openly share sexual jokes with me, they use local slang words so initially i dont understand but because they all would be laughing i know what they are talking about.   i once was walking though my nanke pind with a elderly man who works for us, we were going to the hatti to buy something and couple of young lads started saying to the elderly man that he should have a drink and that the number 9 will start working. i didnt know what number 9 meant i was only 14 yrs old! i then realized that if you flip number 9 to its side then it resembles and mans genitals!    these are regular conversations that you hear on a daily basis!  iv had a cousin tell me how if you tie a male goat up behind a wooden pen, that the male goat will break through the wooden pen to mate with the female goat!  lol       these are the "normal" regular conversations there. there is very little excess to porn yet they pretty much know about all the methods and positions and what not.  it actually becomes unbearable the amount of sexual conversations you hear, iv never been in such a sexually driven society.  and its always been like that.

a lot of pinds also has its illegitimate children, my mums cousin has a illegitimate son with a married chamar woman in the same pind. people there just dont know when to stop.  

the women are just as bad, iv never had a woman there say this stuff to me but my cousin sister from the UK has told me the many unpleasant conversations shes had to sit through with the women in Punjab. 

there is absolutely nothing prudish or ever been anything prudish about rural culture in punjab.     they are a  very sexually driven people with a  very high sex drive.     charitropakhyan would be very very very popular in the pinds all for the wrong reasons, if some1 introduces charitropakhyan to them it would end up becoming their most favorite bani and recited on a daily basis.  they just dont know about it.

 

I agree. The rural scene is very earthy, you can tell by the swear words. I don't hear it much now, but when I was younger, you couldn't go 5 minutes around a bunch of older desi blokes without them saying bhundh maar this, and bhundh maar that.... and a lot more. lol They are very 'red blooded' in this respect. 

But there has been a cultural shift. I'm reading CP now, cool. I appreciate it for what it is, and realise there is a lot more going on than just the surface readings. But flashback to when I was growing up and, and God forbid, someone was kissing on the TV! The tension in the room was palpable, and there would be a mad dash to switch channels. How does that snogging compare to much of CP?

Plus, I've met a good few apneean who told me that they had their first period without any word of warning from their elders and how it traumatised them.  

There (in my opinion) HAS been a prudish streak introduced into our community. You all know where I think it originated from (hypocritical victorian, colonial anglo culture during the occupation of Panjab). That's why all of a sudden you've got hordes of our own lot deeming CP as some 'gundh ka tukrhaa'.  

[dallysingh101]

1 minute ago, dallysingh101 said:

In the old days when the wives used to go to the fields to drop of lunch for their husbands they used to have s3x behind the crops   its no secret! 

Yeah, and when the missus weren't in the mood or on a period, they'd send the kids with the food instead. lol

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29 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

I don't hear it much now, but when I was younger, you couldn't go 5 minutes around a bunch of older desi blokes without them saying bhundh maar this, and bhundh maar that.... and a lot more. lol They are very 'red blooded' in this respect. 

you should hear my mums brothers and cousins after they've thrown down a pint or 2, not very pleasant language.

its mainly sikhs here in the west that have become prudish, in fact iv always knows sikhs here to be prudish, thats why when i started going punjab regularly and mingling with the locals it was a huge shock. 

[dallysingh101]

1 hour ago, puzzled said:

you should hear my mums brothers and cousins after they've thrown down a pint or 2, not very pleasant language.

its mainly sikhs here in the west that have become prudish, in fact iv always knows sikhs here to be prudish, thats why when i started going punjab regularly and mingling with the locals it was a huge shock. 

My mum's side of the family weren't big swearers, and being brought up by a women I didn't really hear it much. Then when I got my first job in a desi booze warehouse as a teenager, and had the full exposure to the 'colourful' (cough, cough) earthy language of rural apnay, it was a bit of a culture shock (and very amusing too). They'd talk about all manner of things that I won't mention here, and they weren't exactly shy about it.......lol   They had no hang ups about it. But as soon as family women came on the scene the language and behaviour completely changed. I think that blokes and women live in two parallel worlds sometimes. 

Anyway, due to predictable influence, when I started coming home and using language like that, my moms was aghast to say the least.........heehheeehee

Certain apnay seem to have a personality change after a few drinks. The pu55ies can't handle their drink or something?  That's behind a lot of violence in our community. I've been out with mfs, who've been friendly and all that, but after a few drinks, they say the most effed up stuff and want to fight. Night starts one way, ends another. That being said, at least they didn't go running off to the police if it got nasty - probably more out of fear than any honour code though? 

That sort of apna makes me sick to my stomach. 

[dallysingh101]

Back to the topic:

 

Why kill Chamkila then, when that sort of talk is normal in rural Panjab as a lot of people are admitting?

Also, the notion that intercaste marriage was a complete anathema in Panjab around that period is false. I know Sant Bhindranwale told a jut friend of his to marry a so called 'lower caste' girl he had got up the duff. Apparently, when this guy went to sant ji and said: "Oh gosh, what have I done. What will my family say?" Sant ji told him to marry her and even conducted the ceremony. He told him: If she was good enough for you then, why isn't she good enough for you now?

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33 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Why kill Chamkila then when that sort of talk is normal in rural Panjab as a lot of are admitting?

people in the comments arent very happy haha!