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33 minutes ago, Kira said:

Only with the help of a Satguru can one reach God, and the only Satguru around (ever) has been th Shabad Guru in the form of Guru Granth Sahib Ji now.

 

Yup, and any person claiming to do sehaj paath would have came across the Gurbani Shabads that clearly state this.  These Shabads also tell the person listening, follow the hukam of Vaheguru and be content with it.  Vaheguru hukam is to take Amrit from the Punj Pyare.  Yet a person who is doing sehaj paath finds this hukam to be sour.  Too bad his reading is only in pride.  As satguru says, he makes the deserved souls understand and others are lead away by Vaheguru deeper into Maya.  Its not in our ability to make these guys understand.  All we can do is point to the source.

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2 minutes ago, N30S1NGH said:

Time to open your mind aperture to vast expansive consciousness and smell the coffee, i know ego likes to have sense of security, oh i am amritdhari- i have automatic sachkhand express liberation card!

No one said that bro. Amrit is the first step, you need to walk before you run. 

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8 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

Yup, and any person claiming to do sehaj paath would have came across the Gurbani Shabads that clearly state this.  These Shabads also tell the person listening, follow the hukam of Vaheguru and be content with it.  Vaheguru hukam is to take Amrit from the Punj Pyare.  Yet a person who is doing sehaj paath finds this hukam to be sour.  Too bad his reading is only in pride.  As satguru says, he makes the deserved souls understand and others are lead away by Vaheguru deeper into Maya.  Its not in our ability to make these guys understand.  All we can do is point to the source.

Cool veer ji. That's why Im asking. I'm learning still. It's just not my first rodeo with people who think they have the one and only way. 

Hit me with the bani. I love reading bani. 

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Just now, GurjantGnostic said:

Cool veer ji. That's why Im asking. I'm learning still. It's just not my first rodeo with people who think they have the one and only way. 

Hit me with the bani. I love reading bani. 

I'll give you something simpler bro. Read this.

http://www.vidhia.com/Bhai Randheer Singh Ji/Meaning-of-amrit.pdf

It's a life changer and its in english, if you want the Punjabi version I can send a link too.

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11 minutes ago, Kira said:

Maybe go back and learn the concept of Sargun, Nirgun and how it interlinks with the Shabad. The fact that you don't seem to even know who or what Guru Nanak Dev Ji was is a sign of just how daft your attempts to seem reasonable are.

 

Sargun, nirgun wow don't even go there.. 

 

49 minutes ago, Kira said:

Satguru around (ever) has been th Shabad Guru in the form of Guru Granth Sahib Ji now

This is what you wrote based on your articulation here guru nanak dev ji is excluded.. This is your definition not mine.. Don't get all giddy with me because you are incapable of speaking shudh.. 

Let's just be clear what it is you are saying.. Do you retract your statement of 'guru Granth Sahib now' or does it apply.. If you stick with it then logically you exclude guru nanak dev ji.. I'm just asking it was your proposition not mine.. 

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3 hours ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

Alot of ppl have hinted that amrit isnt necessary for enlightenment. Including bhai jagraj singh of basics of sikhi. That its only for the ppl who want to be fighters/join the army. That Guru Granth Sahib is the Jagat Guru, the guru of the whole world and will enlighten anyone who comes into their sharan/sanctuary. But then what of charan pahul and gurdikhshana?

ਨਮਸਕਾਰ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਕੋ ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮ ਜਿਸ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਸੁਣਾਇਆ॥
I bow before the Guru (Guru Nanak) who recited the Satnam Mantra (for the world).
ਭਵਜਲ ਵਿਚੋਂ ਕਢਿ ਕੇ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਮਾਹਿ ਸਮਾਇਆ॥
Getting across the World Ocean he raptly merged them in liberation.
ਜਨਮ ਮਰਣ ਭਉ ਕਟਿਆ ਸੰਸਾ ਰੋਗੁ ਵਿਯੋਗ ਮਿਟਾਇਆ॥
He destroyed the fear of transmigration and also the malady of doubt and separation.
ਸੰਸਾ ਇਹੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ਹੈ ਜਨਮ ਮਰਣ ਵਿਚਿ ਦੁਖ ਸਬਾਇਆ॥
The world is only illusion which carried with it much of birth, death and sufferings.
ਜਮ ਦੰਡ ਸਿਰੋਂ ਨ ਉਤਰੈ ਸਾਕਤ ਦੁਰਜਨ ਜਨਮੁ ਗਵਾਇਆ॥
The fear of the rod of Yama is not dispelled and the Sakts, the followers of the Goddess, have lost their lives in vain.
ਚਰਨ ਗਹੇ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਦੇ ਸਤਿ ਸਬਦ ਦੇ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਕਰਾਇਆ॥
Those who have caught hold of the feet of the Guru have been liberated through the True Word.
ਭਾਉ ਭਗਤਿ ਗੁਰਪੁਰਬਿ ਕਰਿ ਨਾਮ ਦਾਨ ਇਸਨਾਨੁ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਇਆ॥
Now being full of loving Devotion they celebrate the Gurpurbs (anniversaries of the Gurus) and their acts of remembrance of God, Charity and Holy Ablutions, inspire others also.
ਜੇਹਾ ਬੀਉ ਤੇਹਾ ਫਲੁ ਪਾਇਆ ॥੧॥
As someone sows, so he reaps.(1)
 

Its clear in Gurbani who Satguru/Baba is in Kaljug, always points to house or Taksal of Nanak as the deliverer for Sachkhand.

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27 minutes ago, Kira said:

of course Naam is required. But there was a reason why Charan Pahul was started, one can sit here and recite bani all we wish, but we require a Satguru to take us to God. Satguru is Akaal Purkh, by drinking their amrit we're becoming theirs and theirs alone. 

So you believe the ceremony itself is transformational, easy peasy... Interesting seems contradictory to the overall principles of sikhi.. I never had you down as someone who would advocate rituals as a path to enlightenment.. I'm genuinely surprised 

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33 minutes ago, N30S1NGH said:

Sant gyani gurbachan singh bhindranwale points out five khands being are state of mind, fifth -sachkhand being turiya avastha and turiyatith avastha.

Now turiya avastha/turiya atith avastha are NOT a new term-exclusive to sikhs only, its ancient term which explains liberated being state of mind  which is mentioned/realized by ancient indic religions/literature/scriptures and saints. Just google turiya you will know what i mean.

 

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Satguru also is not a new term, also new definition cannot be limited to sargun saroop of sri guru granth sahib ji as vaho vaho bani nirankar hai itself pointing towards universal Satguru- essence meaning of satguru and satguruparsad- Sat-eternal and Guru being- chaitan-pure universal consciouness Anand- Bliss- again same as ancient- Sat Chit Ananda.

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Regarding amrit - Gurbani also takes us to ultimate meaning of amrit- which is inner amrit- Nau Nidhh Amrit prabh ka naaam, dehi meh iska bisram ||

Esoteric Amrit is also mentioned in indic literature-

asato ma sadgamaya
tamaso ma jyotirgamaya
mrtyorma amrtam gamaya
om shanti shanti shanti.

Lead me from the asat to the sat.
Lead me from darkness to light.
Lead me from death to immortality
Om Peace Peace Peace.

(Brhadaranyaka Upanishad — I.iii.28)

 

Time to open your mind aperture to vast expansive consciousness and smell the coffee, i know ego likes to have sense of security, oh i am amritdhari- i have automatic sachkhand express liberation card!

Bachittar Natak has said who is Satguru and we say their names everyday in the Khalsa Panth ardas(Sri Guru Nanak dev ji to Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji).  Only satguru can grant mukhti and they have been disclosed to the world by Vaheguru. Also anyone following satguru teachings would run to take amrit. The Gursikhs love the satguru's hukam. 

Anyone in the past who has received mukhti as received it by Satguru.  Gurbani clearly says this.  

To the people learning. Start reading from Raag Nat Naaraayan and keep reading.  A lot is revealed on this topic by satguru. I am currently reading Raag Maaroo and if more is revealed by satguru I will provide direct quotes.

 

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