Would A Transgender Amritdhari Sikh Be A Singh or Kaur?

[Not2Cool2Argue]

On 15/02/2018 at 6:50 PM, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Enough of this nonsense. If it don't fit it can't be true. If truth is akaal then The application of logic to discern truth is the only way to eliminate falsehoods, you don't seem to grasp the essence of bani if you don't understand that 

Yes Akaal is Sat. But Sat does not merely mean Truth. It mostly means Eternal. Everlasting. 

That is why when ppl die, hindus chant Ram Nam Sat Hai. That the name of God is Eternal. Meaning everything else is false and transitory. Including science, time, space, logic, existence. 

So we dont worship truth per say. We worship truth that is true forever. A truth can be transient. For example i i ask you the time, you say 3pm. A few hours later that will not be true. 

So in reality the only truth worshiping is Akaal. Because he will always be.  Science and logic and time breakdown in this world now. What to say of forever? Time is not constant as explained by theory of relativity. The laws of newton do not apply at a microscopic level. At a microscopic level, quantum mechanics apply which seem to have no logic. 

Im sure we will learn that space is also not consistent or constant  pretty soon.

Science is a great tool but limited. Do not discard the ancient traditions and rituals so readily. They knew meditation was important before it became hip. They knew that the mind can control diseases, today unexplained as the placebo effect, positivity psychology, and stress effects on the body. 

So Sat Sri Akal means God is Everlasting or the Timeless is Eternal. Not merely God is Truth. When all else fades away, God endures. Why worry about the false and temporary, when theres the eternity? Eternity is not a concept. Its reality. Its God. 

[N30S1NGH]

11 hours ago, Kira said:

is that from Japji Sahib Teeka by Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji?

its always interesting viewing things from 2 perspectives. Lately I've tried doing that with Dasam Bani and its totally changed for me. 

Yes to be precise pdf page- 33

 

18 hours ago, InderjitS said:

Here is a post from 2008 with links from gurmatveechar (unfortunately none working) and a good response by Bijla Singh

Bijla Singh and Sant Hari Singh ji arths are spot on, ultimately we should be looking at antriv arths of gurbani as to how it relates to introvert nature of individual and helps seeker transcedent from sargun into nirgun* and bigger grand scheme of things (non duality- all pervasive ) but NOT at the expense of sacrificing sargun arths or rejecting them in paranoia  since sikhi is both sargun and nirgun combined and blended beautifully so one is in complete harmony-sargun is nirgun, nirgun is sargun - emptiness is form, form is emptiness. Often times, we see many sikhs falling on gyan-nirgun arths or sargun-spectrum-ignoring one or another. As per gurmat sidhant thats not the right approach. It needs to be looked at together from gurmat sidhant conceptual philosophy standpoint.

*Note i did by maharaj kirpa did similiar antriv arths of different gurbani pankiti:

ਧਨਿ ਧਨਿ ਤੂ ਮਾਤਾ ਦੇਵਕੀ ॥

Blessed, blessed are you, O mother Dayvakee;

ਜਿਹ ਗ੍ਰਿਹ ਰਮਈਆ ਕਵਲਾਪਤੀ ॥੨॥

into your home the Lord was born. ||2||

Blessed blessed mother devki (dwelling place -five elemental- body, mind)

in its home- surat ( consciousness/awareness) has awaken to itself, came to being. 

Uthanka arth is dedicated to krishan maharaj sargun saroop.

[Mahakaal96]

3 hours ago, N30S1NGH said:

Yes to be precise pdf page- 33

 

Bijla Singh and Sant Hari Singh ji arths are spot on, ultimately we should be looking at antriv arths of gurbani as to how it relates to introvert nature of individual and helps seeker transcedent from sargun into nirgun* and bigger grand scheme of things (non duality- all pervasive ) but NOT at the expense of sacrificing sargun arths or rejecting them in paranoia  since sikhi is both sargun and nirgun combined and blended beautifully so one is in complete harmony-sargun is nirgun, nirgun is sargun - emptiness is form, form is emptiness. Often times, we see many sikhs falling on gyan-nirgun arths or sargun-spectrum-ignoring one or another. As per gurmat sidhant thats not the right approach. It needs to be looked at together from gurmat sidhant conceptual philosophy standpoint.

*Note i did by maharaj kirpa did similiar antriv arths of different gurbani pankiti:

ਧਨਿ ਧਨਿ ਤੂ ਮਾਤਾ ਦੇਵਕੀ ॥

Blessed, blessed are you, O mother Dayvakee;

ਜਿਹ ਗ੍ਰਿਹ ਰਮਈਆ ਕਵਲਾਪਤੀ ॥੨॥

into your home the Lord was born. ||2||

Blessed blessed mother devki (dwelling place -five elemental- body, mind)

in its home- surat ( consciousness/awareness) has awaken to itself, came to being. 

Uthanka arth is dedicated to krishan maharaj sargun saroop.

This is very well put.... hits the nail on the head.

There has to be genuine understanding & grounding in Sargun arths before advancement onto nirgun perspective.... the whole picture becomes even more beautiful when this happens. Unfortunately as you said, out of paranoia and lack of guidance by genuine vidvaans & sants most sikhs now jump straight on nirgun aspect & neglect the necessary ground work that comes from the sargun side. 

 

[Sukhvirk1976]

On 22/02/2018 at 3:41 AM, Not2Cool2Argue said:

Yes Akaal is Sat. But Sat does not merely mean Truth. It mostly means Eternal. Everlasting. 

That is why when ppl die, hindus chant Ram Nam Sat Hai. That the name of God is Eternal. Meaning everything else is false and transitory. Including science, time, space, logic, existence. 

So we dont worship truth per say. We worship truth that is true forever. A truth can be transient. For example i i ask you the time, you say 3pm. A few hours later that will not be true. 

So in reality the only truth worshiping is Akaal. Because he will always be.  Science and logic and time breakdown in this world now. What to say of forever? Time is not constant as explained by theory of relativity. The laws of newton do not apply at a microscopic level. At a microscopic level, quantum mechanics apply which seem to have no logic. 

Im sure we will learn that space is also not consistent or constant  pretty soon.

Science is a great tool but limited. Do not discard the ancient traditions and rituals so readily. They knew meditation was important before it became hip. They knew that the mind can control diseases, today unexplained as the placebo effect, positivity psychology, and stress effects on the body. 

So Sat Sri Akal means God is Everlasting or the Timeless is Eternal. Not merely God is Truth. When all else fades away, God endures. Why worry about the false and temporary, when theres the eternity? Eternity is not a concept. Its reality. Its God. 

Truth doesn't also mean eternal.. Truth is.. Unequivocally! 

[Not2Cool2Argue]

19 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Truth doesn't also mean eternal.. Truth is.. Unequivocally! 

I meant Sat means Eternal not Truth

[Amrinder0933]

When guru gobind singh ji formed khalsa panth they(he) asked for one head five times and at that time only 5 men went inside the tent so anybody can be a khalsa there is no discrimination of gender and it is upto you that if you wanna be called singh or kaur or for example name is aman you can also be called aman khalsa  no singh or kaur but it is purely up to you that you wanna be singh or kaur